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Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | I have contributed data for An American Haunting: Unrated Edition UPC 012236-201410. The end credits list the CoOs as a co-production of United Kingdom, Canada & Romania: DVD credits @1:29:49. There is no mention of the United States in the credits that I could find.
I have received "no" votes that this DVD is a US production because the first production company, Allan Zeman Productions, is a US company.
I believe that the CoO of this DVD be United Kingdom. Is this correct? If not, why not? |
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Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,665 |
| Posted: | | | | The rules are pretty straightforward on this: Quote: Country of Origin (COO) Enter the country in which the main feature's primary production company is based. That said, locally, i change a lot of films CoO to match how the film feels. For example Jane Austen-based films i change to United Kingdom. Regardless of the production company some films just make me think of a certain country. But that is just local. | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,550 |
| Posted: | | | | Ok, tweeter answered it but I still don't know how to handle co-productions especially if they have equal investments (like Imaginarium of Doctor Parnanssus, which I left blank). | | | Last edited: by The Movieman |
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Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | I have spent a little time researching Allan Zeman Productions and it seems his business has been run out of Hong Kong for the past 30 years: http://www.londonspeakerbureau.co.uk/allan_zeman.aspx.
IMDb does say "Allan Zeman Productions [us]" but lists the Production Companies in the following order: "Country: UK | Canada | Romania | USA": http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0429573/
Paragraph 11: http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/lionsgate-and-after-dark-films-forge-three-year-production-and-distribution-deal-57180442.html.
Edit: How does one find where the primary production company is based? Is there a professional directory that lists this data? | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | And you just hit on why I don't mess with CoO Kathy. I have no idea how to even start to find out such a thing. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,197 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote: I have contributed data for An American Haunting: Unrated Edition UPC 012236-201410. The end credits list the CoOs as a co-production of United Kingdom, Canada & Romania: DVD credits @1:29:49. There is no mention of the United States in the credits that I could find.
Since our primary source is the disc/film itself, I think you are correct in listing UK. | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 113 |
| Posted: | | | | Kathy - one question, I notice that the credit block on the cover says "Allan Zeman presents A Midsummer Films...... production".
Are the film opening credits different? i.e is Allan Zeman Productions explicitly mentioned?
I'd look at my own copy but I am at work right now....
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Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | Over the past few years there have been proposals on how to deal with multinational co-productions, but unfortunately none of these has made it into the programme and the rules so far. E.g. personally I would favour a checkbox approach, exactly like we already have for subtitles, so you could list all participating countries and the order would become irrelevant.
Until a better solution is found, unfortunately we're stuck with the one field and it will indeed be impossible in some cases to determine a "primary production company". For lack of a better alternative, I leave the field blank in such cases. | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 113 |
| Posted: | | | | Answering my own question, the opening credits do indeed read "Alan Zeman Productions presents..."
Personally I would go with UK since that reflects the CoO listing in the film credits accurately but I can easily see how it could be argued that the US would also be the valid CoO based on our contribution rules. | | | Last edited: by Michael 666 |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | "X presents a Y production/film" usually means that X is the distribution company and Y is the production company. Maybe the film makers do not believe that the distributor (and maybe financing company as well) influences the CoO. And I would agree. Midsummer Films is the producer and Alan Zeman Productions the distributor. Is Midsummer Films UK based? |
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| Corne | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
Registered: April 5, 2007 | Posts: 1,059 |
| Posted: | | | | I found the official website for Midsummer Films: http://www.ullapix.com/midsummerfilms.htm. It's main address is in London UK with a representative based in L.A. USA. I wonder whether the company still exists because An American Haunting can be found under the Coming Soon page | | | Cor |
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Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | I have decided to leave the contribution as I have submitted it. I did add an edit last night directing the screeners to this thread.
Thank you for all the help. |
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote: "X presents a Y production/film" usually means that X is the distribution company and Y is the production company. Maybe the film makers do not believe that the distributor (and maybe financing company as well) influences the CoO. And I would agree. Invelos would, too. In the case of the 'Lord of the Rings' films, Gerri Cole has publicly ruled that the CoO is New Zealand (where primary production company WingNut Films is based), not the U.S. (where distributor New Line Cinema is based). It's not about the distributor, it's about the primary production company. If that's Midsummer Films, then yeah, the CoO should be the U.K. |
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Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,934 |
| Posted: | | | | I have a question. Since the lines of countries are getting blurred for the movie/film industry, is the COO field something that is truly necessary to track.
I guess my question is, how many people feel that the COO is necessary/worthwhile? |
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Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | With over 35 different CoO's in my collection, I use it often to keep track of the composition of my collection (i.e. for collection statistics). So I would answer your question with a resounding YES.
Of course, your mileage may vary, and it's not the first time this has been discussed. Those of you with US-centric collectiions will have little use for this field.
BTW I have no idea what you mean by "lines of countries getting blurred". While borders do get redrawn over time in some cases, I've never encountered a case where "blurring" of borders prevented me from identifying a CoO. | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
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| Corne | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
Registered: April 5, 2007 | Posts: 1,059 |
| Posted: | | | | Like dee1959jay I would answer your question with YES as well for the same reason. I think it's a valuable addition but I would like to see a checkbox for multiple CoOs. | | | Cor |
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