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Registered: September 29, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,550 |
| Posted: | | | | I have several contributions where the original title of the movie isn't on the disc or cover. My question is how can I contribute an original release title to a profile when the O(R)T isn't anywhere on the disc or cover? An example: this morning, I found out that Along For The Ride (Patrick Swayze TV movie) is the home video title of Forever Lulu (its original release title). http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0196723/releaseinfo How can I contribute that title (Along for the Ride) when I don't have any proof, other than the IMDB link above. It messes up the CLT results, particularly for Stephen/Steve (J.) Lineweaver, whom a common name thread is open right now. Thoughts?
Eric | | | My one wish for the DVD Profiler online database: Ban or remove the disc-level profiles of TV season sets. It completely screws up/inflates the CLT. FACT: Imdb is WRONG 70% of the time! Misspelled cast, incomplete cast, wrong cast/crew roles. So for those who want DVD Profiler to be "as perfect as Imdb", good luck with that. Stop adding UNIT crew! They're invalid credits. Stop it! |
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Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Hmm, just from what I found in database: I guess it is a US title. All US profiles of this movie have the title Along for the Ride. If this is also the on-screen title = original title, then the other (non US) profiles in database should also get this as original title. Edit: This is how I understand these parts of the rules: Quote: For titles released outside their country of origin, use the original release title. Quote: Foreign Films: The Original Title field will contain the original title for the main feature in the country of origin. i.e. A German DVD release for a film originally produced in the United States would have the German title in the Title field and the English title in the Original Title Field. | | | Last edited: by VirusPil |
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Registered: September 29, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,550 |
| Posted: | | | | But do I go by the original release of the movie, or the original release of the DVD? I may have answered my own ?, since this IS DVD Profiler. | | | My one wish for the DVD Profiler online database: Ban or remove the disc-level profiles of TV season sets. It completely screws up/inflates the CLT. FACT: Imdb is WRONG 70% of the time! Misspelled cast, incomplete cast, wrong cast/crew roles. So for those who want DVD Profiler to be "as perfect as Imdb", good luck with that. Stop adding UNIT crew! They're invalid credits. Stop it! |
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Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting huskersports: Quote: But do I go by the original release of the movie, or the original release of the DVD? I may have answered my own ?, since this IS DVD Profiler. Same question I also asked me. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | The rules do not specify where the original title has to come from. It only states that the field "allows for the tracking of the original feature title."
If you can prove that the original title is something other than what is on the case or the credits, then I would make the change and include that proof in your notes. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: September 29, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,550 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: The rules do not specify where the original title has to come from. It only states that the field "allows for the tracking of the original feature title."
If you can prove that the original title is something other than what is on the case or the credits, then I would make the change and include that proof in your notes. The only proof I would have is the IMDB link from my OP. Is that enough? | | | My one wish for the DVD Profiler online database: Ban or remove the disc-level profiles of TV season sets. It completely screws up/inflates the CLT. FACT: Imdb is WRONG 70% of the time! Misspelled cast, incomplete cast, wrong cast/crew roles. So for those who want DVD Profiler to be "as perfect as Imdb", good luck with that. Stop adding UNIT crew! They're invalid credits. Stop it! |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,197 |
| Posted: | | | | I can only find one rule that fits and it says "For profiles which have an alternate title displayed on the cover, use the title from the film's credits."
So if it's not in the credits and not a foreign film you can't use anything else.
I don't know, the wording irks me. I think there is something wrong with the rule if we can't track the original title. | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,851 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting huskersports: Quote: The only proof I would have is the IMDB link from my OP. Is that enough? Do any of the actors have their own web sites that would list their filmogrophies? --------------- |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting KinoNiki: Quote: I can only find one rule that fits and it says "For profiles which have an alternate title displayed on the cover, use the title from the film's credits."
So if it's not in the credits and not a foreign film you can't use anything else.
I don't know, the wording irks me. I think there is something wrong with the rule if we can't track the original title. This is the way I understand the rule as well. I know I have some low-budget horror that one alternate title is on the case... another is in the credits and the actual original title is no where... so in such cases per rules the actual original title don't get used (that is when the title is not a foreign title). | | | Pete |
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Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote: Quoting huskersports:
Quote: The only proof I would have is the IMDB link from my OP. Is that enough? Do any of the actors have their own web sites that would list their filmogrophies?
--------------- What about this? (official fan page) http://www.patrickswayze.net/Movies/forever.htm |
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Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: Quoting KinoNiki:
Quote: I can only find one rule that fits and it says "For profiles which have an alternate title displayed on the cover, use the title from the film's credits."
So if it's not in the credits and not a foreign film you can't use anything else.
I don't know, the wording irks me. I think there is something wrong with the rule if we can't track the original title.
This is the way I understand the rule as well. I know I have some low-budget horror that one alternate title is on the case... another is in the credits and the actual original title is no where... so in such cases per rules the actual original title don't get used (that is when the title is not a foreign title). That's also my understanding and we get stucked with this, with the current ruling. Edit: Which is not the biggest problem imho. | | | Last edited: by VirusPil |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | EDIT: Right. | | | Pete | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | I still have huge problems with the rules on the original title - I've never understood the latest rule change on the subject. Here's a problem I'm currently facing - I'll show you the front cover and the actual film credits: So with that, I arrived at: Title: Two If by Sea Original Title: Stolen Hearts Didn't seem like too much of a stretch at the time: title from the cover, original title from the credits. Now that was a rule I could understand. Now, someone is trying to remove the original title, simply stating that 'Two If by Sea' is the original title... I really don't know about that - it's usually hard to prove that kind of thing. But I see the problem: the film, spread over various regions and localities, is indeed listed in the database under two original titles, causing the CLT to count all cast and crew involved twice for it. I understand (and support) the need to fix that. But it seems unnatural to ignore the actual on-screen title - we take everything "as credited" from the film credits, and then we would ignore the actual on-screen title?! The contributor suggested that we might need a third title field to be able to retain the on-screen title. While I guess chances of getting a third title field are pretty slim, I still wanted to publicly point out the problems that are arising with the current rules on original titles. |
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Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Locality of the DVD and CoO of the movie would help. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I really don't think there is a way to get a true original title in at times. As I have said in the past where I have some low budget horror and such that goes by 3 (or more) titles... and the cover uses 1 alternate title... the screen shows another alternate title... and it seems the true original title is no where to be found on the release. It is fairly rare... but it dopes happen.
Going by what you wrote and what the current rules are though... it sounds like that particular update is against the rules since the rules tells us to take the original title from the credits. | | | Pete |
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