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Registered: September 30, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,805 |
| Posted: | | | | Should The Exorcist ( newly released on blu-ray) be profiled as a boxset (where there is only the basic information in the parent profile with two child profiles attached to it) or as a bonus film profile (where information for one feature, in this case The Extended Director's Cut as it's Disc 1 in the set, is entered, and one child profile is attached to it)? Answer may seem obvious, sorry if it is, I'm just not quite sure. I've rarely created or profiled boxsets or bonus feature profiles, so I'm not entirely sure. Disc 1 in the set is the Extended Director's Cut (2000 Version) and Disc 2 is the Original Theatrical Cut (1973 Version). No one version of the film is seemingly given more importance over the other, and they're both (technically) the same film, which is the reason I'm not entirely sure. The rules say that Bonus Feature Film is used to define any feature film that is included as part of the bonus material for a single release. These are not the same as Double Features or Anthology Collections which are a collection of films grouped together which require the Box Set contribution rules. I don't believe the original theatrical version is bonus material as both discs contain a whack load of their own special features, and both editions are prominently listed on the front cover, but it's not a Double Feature either, really. Doesn't double feature usually refer to two different films? The Canadian profile for this release hasn't been entered into the system yet, and I'd like to enter it, but I'd like to make sure I'm doing it correctly. Any help is muchly appreciated. Thank-you! | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. | | | Last edited: by Merrik |
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Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | None of both imho. As it is the same movie, do one profile according the rules. |
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Registered: February 23, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,580 |
| Posted: | | | | and yet, with the release of Blade Runner on Blu-ray, we added the other cuts of the movie as child profiles to the main profile. Honestly, it's also a bit confusing to me but the way that release was done seems to be the way to go to me ... I guess | | | Blu-ray collection DVD collection My Games My Trophies |
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Registered: September 30, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,805 |
| Posted: | | | | Blade Runner. That was the example I was thinking of. Wasn't there a similar situation with another film? Dune maybe? Can't recall.
They are different cuts. Very different cuts. And as stand alone releases, both the Original Theatrical Cut and the Extended Director's Cut (or The Version You've Never Seen as it may be) are in the system multiple times over. So entering them as one profile doesn't sit quite right with me. They've been released separately previously (not yet on blu-ray, but I do believe it's simply a matter of time), and if we were profiling a DVD that had both of them in it, we definitely wouldn't do it as a single profile because both versions are separate releases (see The Complete Anthology for example... it's a DVD boxset, and it has both releases, and both releases are profiled separately even though they're both contained in the same thinpak under one UPC). So now just because it's new on blu-ray, one has to get jobbed to the other? Yeah. I don't like that. Both should definitely be entered into the system, I'm just not sure how to do it. | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. | | | Last edited: by Merrik |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 20,111 |
| Posted: | | | | Antoher example I can think of is the Terminator Salvation Blu-ray (883929-049387) which comes with two discs, one the Theatrical Cut and the other the Director's Cut.
That has the main profile with the information for disc #1 (Director's Cut), and then a bonus child profile for the 2nd disc (Theatrical Cut)
The Exorcist Blu-ray displays both cuts on the front cover edition details and the back cover simple lists Disc 1 and Disc 2...nothing is shown about one version of the film being a "bonus feature" | | | Corey |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | I'd handle it as a bonus feature. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote: None of both imho. As it is the same movie, do one profile according the rules. I do understand your reasoning. But the bonus feature method has exactly been established as a compromise between a single profile and a box set. With the bonus feature set up both camps should be happy. |
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Registered: February 23, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,580 |
| Posted: | | | | I believe the determining factor is whether or not the different cut(s) is/are encoded on a seperate disc. If so, then it's a child profile. If not, then everything is entered on the main profile. | | | Blu-ray collection DVD collection My Games My Trophies |
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Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote: Quoting VirusPil:
Quote: None of both imho. As it is the same movie, do one profile according the rules. I do understand your reasoning. But the bonus feature method has exactly been established as a compromise between a single profile and a box set. With the bonus feature set up both camps should be happy. If it shouldn't be done just as one profile, because there are two discs, I would go with box set, because none of those version could be determined as bonus. (in this case) | | | Last edited: by VirusPil |
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Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Taro: Quote: I believe the determining factor is whether or not the different cut(s) is/are encoded on a seperate disc. If so, then it's a child profile. If not, then everything is entered on the main profile. I wouldn't make a difference of "both versions on one disc" and "the different versions on different discs". But I also wouldn't argue if it would be made as box set. |
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Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,934 |
| Posted: | | | | Another I can think of Close Encounters of the Third Kind: 30th Anniversary Ultimate Edition. I had a discussion here a while back, and nothing really came of it. It has been discussed for Blade Runner here. There was a poll taken also, you can find it hereAs far as I know, Ken (or Geri) have never made a decision ?(if they have, I apologize), and there isn't a clear consensus. My personal Opinion, and I emphasize PERSONAL OPINION, it is a box set. Parent with 2 children... |
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Registered: September 29, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,550 |
| Posted: | | | | Scan the covers that have the UPC on it (883929007691) as the parent and use these same covers for disc 2 (using the DiscID since it doesn't have it's own UPC) as the child profile. | | | My one wish for the DVD Profiler online database: Ban or remove the disc-level profiles of TV season sets. It completely screws up/inflates the CLT. FACT: Imdb is WRONG 70% of the time! Misspelled cast, incomplete cast, wrong cast/crew roles. So for those who want DVD Profiler to be "as perfect as Imdb", good luck with that. Stop adding UNIT crew! They're invalid credits. Stop it! |
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Registered: March 24, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,044 |
| Posted: | | | | I don't know if this helps, but Tomricci, Primetime21, ljbarnhill and I put up the US profile on this and I did the child profile. I left out the run time until I could ckeck them. Here is what I have: The Exorcist (1973 Teatrical Release): 2:02 (122 min.) The Exorcist (2000 Extended Director's Cut): 2:12 (132 min.) By virtue of run time (Due to added or extended scenes.) they are not quite the same film imho. Rory | | | DVD Profiler for iOS as of 3/5/2013 DVD Profiler for Android as of 5/17/2013 | | | Last edited: by rorymatt |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | In a case like this, I would make the main profile the version that is listed first, and a child profile for the other. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 24, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,044 |
| Posted: | | | | I believe that's how it was haldeled, the Director's Cut was listed first (Parent) the Theatrical Version was listed second (Child). Rory | | | DVD Profiler for iOS as of 3/5/2013 DVD Profiler for Android as of 5/17/2013 |
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Registered: September 30, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,805 |
| Posted: | | | | Never saw the discussions for Blade Runner or the poll about this exact topic (I'm guessing I probably avoided the Blade Runner topic... when a topic hits over 4 or 5 pages I usually assume it's degraded into some arguements... not always true however!), and they have some good information. It seems a real conclusion was never fully reached though as there were people to speak up for three different ways of entering them (single profile, boxset profile, profile with bonus feature) and Ken never made an appearance to clear it up. Seems though, that the bonus film option had the most supporters as that seems to give most people what's desired. If you want just the single profile and choose to ignore the other cut, you can have the main profile, if you want both cuts, then you can have the child profile that goes along with it. And since that's the way the U.S. profile was entered (and the contribution to remove the children profiles for Blade Runner was declined) it seems like that's probably the best way to go about it here. So I'll create the Canadian locality profile, using the Extended Director's Cut as the main profile, with the original theatrical release as the child profile. Thanks for the opinions, references and conversation on this one folks! | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
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