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| Corne | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
Registered: April 5, 2007 | Posts: 1,059 |
| Posted: | | | | In a contribution for Chicken Run there's a change for the writing credits. Peter Lord and Nick Park are now in the database as Original Material By but the contribution will change that into Story By.
The actual film credit says: 'Based on an Original Story By'. For me that's an OMB credits, because the rules state 'Based on [anything] By'. According to this on screen film credit this film is based on a story. So the story isn't a screen story (not a story written specifically for the film).
The contributor argues that in the credit block on the DVD cover they are credited as 'Story By' and they did write the story for the film.
So am I right voting NO or is it my bad and should it be 'Story By'? | | | Cor |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I will be the first to admit that crew credits are not my thing... I normally don't understand them at all... but going by the way it reads my first instinct is to agree with you on this one. So I would vote no to that one. | | | Pete | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | It doesn't matter what's on the cover, if it says "based on a story by" in the credits then it's OMB. Otherwise we'd have to start second-guessing all "based on" credits and that would get very messy! |
| Registered: April 14, 2007 | Posts: 415 |
| Posted: | | | | Can't see how Lord and Park would write it with anything but the movie in mind. Perhaps they wrote the story, pitched it to Dreamworks, who suggested modifications before green lighting it?
In any case, northbloke is right, based on the credits, OMB is the correct designation. |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting jmbox: Quote: Can't see how Lord and Park would write it with anything but the movie in mind. Indeed. This is pretty much exactly what "Story By" is meant for. If the rules deny it it's proper credit, then I'm afraid the rules are wrong. Quoting northbloke: Quote: Otherwise we'd have to start second-guessing all "based on" credits and that would get very messy! How would you enter a "Based on Original Characters Created by" credit? Is that OMB as well? | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,621 |
| Posted: | | | | It depends on if the "original story" has been told before. If published as a book, certainly OMB. In my couple run-ins with this exact credit, I looked up the author of the "OSS" and found nothing about the story for the movie, so it was an easy "Story By", ignore the Original. Had my findings been the OSS appeared in say, it's own novel or even 1985's Playboy, it would chnage to OMB.
Hope I'm not in the wrong room with common sense here.
With characters, if they've appeared before they are OCB (Original Characters by), if they haven't appeared before they still are OCB. | | | Last edited: by bigdaddyhorse |
| | Corne | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
Registered: April 5, 2007 | Posts: 1,059 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: How would you enter a "Based on Original Characters Created by" credit? Is that OMB as well? That's easy because the rules specifically address this by an extra note: Original Characters by - "Used for screenplays based on characters from another work" | | | Cor | | | Last edited: by Corne |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: It doesn't matter what's on the cover, if it says "based on a story by" in the credits then it's OMB. Otherwise we'd have to start second-guessing all "based on" credits and that would get very messy! Northbloke is correct. The use of the words 'Based on', make it an OMB credit, for Profiler purposes. With the exception of OCB, anything that begins with 'Base on' is OMB. This was added to the rules to remove any ambiguity and keep people from having to do what bigdaddy does. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote: Quoting T!M:
Quote: How would you enter a "Based on Original Characters Created by" credit? Is that OMB as well? That's easy because the rules specifically address this by an extra note The note is lovely, and rest assured that I do assign the correct OCB credit, but honestly, it's still 'Based on [anything] By', right? | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting bigdaddyhorse: Quote: It depends on if the "original story" has been told before. If published as a book, certainly OMB. In my couple run-ins with this exact credit, I looked up the author of the "OSS" and found nothing about the story for the movie, so it was an easy "Story By", ignore the Original. Had my findings been the OSS appeared in say, it's own novel or even 1985's Playboy, it would chnage to OMB. This is exactly how I divide "Story By" and "OMB" in my local database as well. 'Chicken Run' isn't based on a previously published story, but instead Peter Lord and Nick Park wrote the story for the film. That's exactly what "Story By" is meant for. I'm not saying that the current 'Based on [anything] By' leaves much room for such silly things as actually being correct, I'm just saying that if the rules deny the proper credit to be assigned, then I feel the rules are wrong. Again, I understand that it's easier this way, but that doesn't make it right. Since we can't assign it to half of the credits that should get "Story By", we might as well remove it altogether, and put it all under OMB. At least then we'd be consistent. | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: 'Chicken Run' isn't based on a previously published story, but instead Peter Lord and Nick Park wrote the story for the film. That's exactly what "Story By" is meant for. I'm sorry, I didn't realise you'd personally instructed Ken as to what the "Story by" credit should be for when he added it to the program. Also, I see nothing in the OMB section that says the other medium had to be published anywhere before it could be classed as OMB. Using "story by" in this situation may match what YOU use the credit for, but don't presume that that's how everyone else should be using it and indeed, what the credit was intended for. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: I'm sorry, I didn't realise you'd personally instructed Ken as to what the "Story by" credit should be for when he added it to the program. Also, I see nothing in the OMB section that says the other medium had to be published anywhere before it could be classed as OMB. This is one of the other reason the credit was changed. We had a few users claiming that the other medium had to be a published work in order to qualify for OMB credit. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: don't presume that that's how everyone else should be using it and indeed, what the credit was intended for. So what do you think it's intended for? In function, I mean, not simply what rule it falls under, but explain to me what "job" the credit intended for? Surely you'll agree that in the current situation, the distinction between "Story By" and "OMB" has become entirely meaningless, since performing the same "job" can result in either credit? And for the record, back "when he added it to the program", there were different rules than we have now. Those rules had their own problems, but purely with regards to the "Story By" credit, I much preferred them over what we have now. | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: This is one of the other reason the credit was changed. We had a few users claiming that the other medium had to be a published work in order to qualify for OMB credit. Indeed. As such, the rule change has done wonders for the OMB credit. But the side-effects for the "Story By" credit are pretty unfortunate. | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| Registered: May 9, 2007 | Posts: 1,536 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: Quoting T!M:
Quote: 'Chicken Run' isn't based on a previously published story, but instead Peter Lord and Nick Park wrote the story for the film. That's exactly what "Story By" is meant for. I'm sorry, I didn't realise you'd personally instructed Ken as to what the "Story by" credit should be for when he added it to the program. Also, I see nothing in the OMB section that says the other medium had to be published anywhere before it could be classed as OMB. Using "story by" in this situation may match what YOU use the credit for, but don't presume that that's how everyone else should be using it and indeed, what the credit was intended for. Furthermore, such interpretation would require extraneous knowledge about prior publications, and not everybody is going to do the research. And then what about limited publications, what would be the threshold? I suggest to go by the credits, and don't bother whether they are correct or not. | | | Hans |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Quoting northbloke:
Quote: don't presume that that's how everyone else should be using it and indeed, what the credit was intended for. So what do you think it's intended for? Surely you'll agree that in the current situation, the distinction between "Story By" and "OMB" has become entirely meaningless, since performing the same "job" can result in either credit? Unfortunately, this can be said for many of our credits. Sometimes they perform the same job, and get different credits, other times, because we 'shoehorn', they can recieve the exact same credit even if they do a completely different job. That is why I, and several others, have asked for the custom role field to be contributable. In a case like this, we would tick the OMB box and enter "Based on a Story by'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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