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Could "supervising producer" be credited as producer. |
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| Registered: May 4, 2008 |  Posts: 7 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hi everyone,
In the True Blood DVD/Bluray, there is a Supervising Producer listed among the Producers in the opening credits. Moreover there are other peoples credited as Production supervisors in the end credits.
According to the contribution rules, production supervisors should not be credited. However I wonder if a supervising producer could be credited as "producer"?
I have not found data related to such a question using the search toll so any advice on that point would be helpful.
Regards,
Baldgreene |
| | Registered: September 29, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yes it can. It's not specifically prohibited (in the notes below the Credits section of the Contribution rules), so, yes, it's contributable. I'm going through all of my own TV series and adding them. | | | My one wish for the DVD Profiler online database: Ban or remove the disc-level profiles of TV season sets. It completely screws up/inflates the CLT.
FACT: Imdb is WRONG 70% of the time! Misspelled cast, incomplete cast, wrong cast/crew roles. So for those who want DVD Profiler to be "as perfect as Imdb", good luck with that.
Stop adding UNIT crew! They're invalid credits. Stop it! |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Baldgreene: Quote:
However I wonder if a supervising producer could be credited as "producer"? Yes, they should be entered as "Producer" - the "Supervising Producer" credit is pretty much exactly why the Do include "Supervising" credits line was added to the rules. |
| | Registered: May 4, 2008 | | Posts: 7 |
| | Posted: | | | | Thank you very much for the very quick answers. I missed the Do include "Supervising" credits line in the contribution rules. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Why, after all the effort made to unmuddy the sound credits, are we starting to muddy other credits? According to the Producers Guild of America, the hierarchy is Executive Producer, Co-Executive Producer, Supervising Producer, Line Producer and Producer/Co-Producer. A Supervising Producer does not do the same job as the Producer so why are we giving them the same credit? And, since we are, why are we excluding all the other Producer credits?  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 681 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Why, after all the effort made to unmuddy the sound credits, are we starting to muddy other credits?
According to the Producers Guild of America, the hierarchy is Executive Producer, Co-Executive Producer, Supervising Producer, Line Producer and Producer/Co-Producer.
A Supervising Producer does not do the same job as the Producer so why are we giving them the same credit? And, since we are, why are we excluding all the other Producer credits? Simple answer to both of your questions above would be "because the rules say so". I am convinced that number of people who go through contribution rules is larger than number of those, who see your point here in the forum. I value your expertise in these matters (been brought up in many threads), and I'm sure you do have a valid point. The rules however, as they stand, clearly allow them to be entered. | | | Mika
I hate people who love me, and they hate me. (Bender Bending Rodriguez) | | | | Last edited: by Draxen |
| | Registered: May 4, 2008 | | Posts: 7 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Why, after all the effort made to unmuddy the sound credits, are we starting to muddy other credits?
According to the Producers Guild of America, the hierarchy is Executive Producer, Co-Executive Producer, Supervising Producer, Line Producer and Producer/Co-Producer.
A Supervising Producer does not do the same job as the Producer so why are we giving them the same credit? And, since we are, why are we excluding all the other Producer credits? After reading web pages from the Producers Guild of America related to supervising producers, I have to agree with you. Maybe that point should be clarify in the next version of the contribution rules. However I already have submitted my contributions including supervising producers and i spent a lot of time contributing these updated profiles. Consequently I will cowardly stick to the rules (I'm French you know  ) and wait for possible negative feedbacks before canceling them. |
| | Registered: September 30, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Baldgreene: Quote:
and wait for possible negative feedbacks before canceling them. If someone votes no to that part of the contribution, they're in the wrong according to the rules, and you're in the right. So don't worry about that. If we're talking about your True Blood contribution, I do have a question though. You're removing Janice Kavanagh (make-up artist) from the crew list. In your notes you have stated: - removing additional make-up artist credited as "make up artist". I haven't pulled the season out to verify as of yet, but if Janice Kavanagh really is credited as "Make up Artist" that is a contributable and correct credit, and she should NOT be removed from the crew list. Is that how she's actually credited, or is she credited as something else, such as additional make up artist (because then she could be removed). | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. | | | | Last edited: by Merrik |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
the "Supervising Producer" credit is pretty much exactly why the Do include "Supervising" credits line was added to the rules. That's what I recall as well. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Draxen: Quote:
Simple answer to both of your questions above would be "because the rules say so". I am convinced that number of people who go through contribution rules is larger than number of those, who see your point here in the forum.
I value your expertise in these matters (been brought up in many threads), and I'm sure you do have a valid point. The rules however, as they stand, clearly allow them to be entered. I understand that, but the rules didn't always allow them to be entered. As T!M pointed out, it was added...by request if I remember correctly...but, as I asked earlier, why this producer credit but none of the other ones? What makes this credit more important than the others? That is the part I don't understand. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: May 4, 2008 | | Posts: 7 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Merrik: Quote:
If we're talking about your True Blood contribution, I do have a question though.
You're removing Janice Kavanagh (make-up artist) from the crew list. In your notes you have stated: - removing additional make-up artist credited as "make up artist".
I haven't pulled the season out to verify as of yet, but if Janice Kavanagh really is credited as "Make up Artist" that is a contributable and correct credit, and she should NOT be removed from the crew list. Is that how she's actually credited, or is she credited as something else, such as additional make up artist (because then she could be removed). Sorry for the unclear sentence due to my very poor English Janice Kavanagh and Marianna Elias are credited (in the True Blood end credits) as "Add'l Make-Up Artist" whereas one previous contributor entered them in the DVD Profiler database as "Make-Up artist". | | | | Last edited: by Baldgreene |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | We've been over all the whole "Supervising Producer" thing a dozen times - here's fourteen pages from two years ago, for instance. The bottom line is that we track them because they're worth tracking. We track "Supervising Producers" just like we track "Supervising Art Directors" as "Art Directors", "Supervising Editors" as "Editors" or "Superving Sound Re-Recording Mixers" as "Sound Re-Recording Mixers" - and so on... Anyway - following that discussion, there was a poll by Pantheon in the rules committee forum - here - and ultimately, Ken updated the rules with the Do include "Supervising" credits in the above categories line. And rightly so, of course. |
| | Registered: September 30, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Baldgreene: Quote:
Quoting Merrik:
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If we're talking about your True Blood contribution, I do have a question though.
You're removing Janice Kavanagh (make-up artist) from the crew list. In your notes you have stated: - removing additional make-up artist credited as "make up artist".
I haven't pulled the season out to verify as of yet, but if Janice Kavanagh really is credited as "Make up Artist" that is a contributable and correct credit, and she should NOT be removed from the crew list. Is that how she's actually credited, or is she credited as something else, such as additional make up artist (because then she could be removed).
Sorry for the unclear sentence due to my very poor English
Janice Kavanagh and Marianna Elias are credited (in the True Blood end credits) as "Add'l Make-Up Artist" whereas one previous contributor entered them in the DVD Profiler database as "Make-Up artist". No worries! Just wanted to be clear before I voted on the contribution! Thanks for clearing that up for me!  | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 270 |
| | Posted: | | | | I just did an audit of a profile that only had one music credit, Music Supervisor.
Was I correct in leaving out the Music Supervisor or can it be entered? | | | Jim
More than I need, but not as many as I want! |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting eaglejd: Quote:
I just did an audit of a profile that only had one music credit, Music Supervisor.
Was I correct in leaving out the Music Supervisor or can it be entered? That was actually discussed recently, I'll see if I can find the thread and link to it. Edit: this may be it. I also found this poll. If I remember rightly, there was no clear answer yes or no, as in old films the composer could well be credited as a "music supervisor", however in modern films they do a completely different job. An unofficial rule of thumb was - if there is no composer, then yes they can be credited. If there is already a composer, then no. You'd still have to be careful about films that only use non-original music though. How old is the film you're talking about? | | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 270 |
| | Posted: | | | | The film is Final Examination (2003), and as I said this is the only credit relating to music. | | | Jim
More than I need, but not as many as I want! |
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