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Registered: September 30, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,805 |
| Posted: | | | | What writing credit (if any) does Irving Shulman receive for this film? Here's a screencap: These Adaptation By credits have always confused me. | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | I've gone to using a custom credit because too many people have trouble wrapping their heads around what an adaptation is in order to give it an OMB credit. I'm not going to bother rehashing this all over again, suffice to say that without the adaptation, the screenplay would never exist in it's final form. |
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Registered: September 30, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,805 |
| Posted: | | | | So you'd give it an OMB credit then. Where did you hash it out in the first place? If I can read a thread with explanations and such, it might become clearer to me (if you remember where it was that is).
Thanks! | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. | | | Last edited: by Merrik |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | It would appear that the original thread has rolled off somewhere as I can't find any of my posts on the subject when searching through my history.
The short version is that an adaptation takes a story and makes it filmable. The same thing occurs for stage productions. Locations are condensed, multiple characters may be condensed, entire plotlines may be condensed. Then, from this new version of the story, a screenplay is written.
The point is, a story can encompass a million different locations, characters and subplots because there is no cost involved with simply writing the words. However, a film or stage production operates on a budget, both financially and time-wise. The adaptation attempts to grab the essential part of the story and make it fit the production constraints. |
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Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,851 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Merrik: Quote: What writing credit (if any) does Irving Shulman receive for this film? For "Adaptation", "Adapted by", "Adaptation by", etc. I always enter it as OMB. I've also run into "Adapted for the Screen by", but entered that as Screenwriter (there were no other screen writing credits.) --------------- | | | Last edited: by scotthm |
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Registered: September 30, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,805 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote: It would appear that the original thread has rolled off somewhere as I can't find any of my posts on the subject when searching through my history.
The short version is that an adaptation takes a story and makes it filmable. The same thing occurs for stage productions. Locations are condensed, multiple characters may be condensed, entire plotlines may be condensed. Then, from this new version of the story, a screenplay is written.
The point is, a story can encompass a million different locations, characters and subplots because there is no cost involved with simply writing the words. However, a film or stage production operates on a budget, both financially and time-wise. The adaptation attempts to grab the essential part of the story and make it fit the production constraints. That makes sense to me. So broken down to it's most basic: A story is written. An adaptation of that story is written. A screenplay of the adaptation is written. Making both the original story and the adaptation Original Material By. I'm good with that. Thanks for the explanation! | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. | | | Last edited: by Merrik |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | That's the reality of what is happening. On the flip-side you get the inevitable "adaptation isn't listed in the crew chart so lose the credit" response. This is why I finally stopped bothering, going back to my original point of some users having trouble wrapping their heads around what an adaptation is. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | For the reasons mdnitoil stated, I always enter it as OMB. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,480 |
| Posted: | | | | We have a rule draft in the committee forum that will fix this and make Adaptation by acceptable as OMB. Unfortunately, it's just been sitting there for several months. | | | ...James
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,197 |
| Posted: | | | | I thought OMB had to be an original work. Since an adaptation is something else (it has to be based on something), wouldn't it be better to have Adaptation By as a unique entry in the crew chart? Otherwise we lose the distinction between the two which makes them pretty useless. | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting KinoNiki: Quote: I thought OMB had to be an original work. Since an adaptation is something else (it has to be based on something), wouldn't it be better to have Adaptation By as a unique entry in the crew chart? Otherwise we lose the distinction between the two which makes them pretty useless. I don't think it's any less useless than having the costume designer listed along with the four other wardrobe technicians, if we want to talk about watering down the credits. I think the point is that all the main players on the writing side are being acknowledged for generating the final product you see. Given the limited categories we have available, OMB is the only thing left. The only other option is to lobby for a new credit, but do we really want to go through and audit everything again? |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote: The only other option is to lobby for a new credit, but do we really want to go through and audit everything again? I guess that depends on whether you want DVDP crew credits to reflect what the actual credits are, or just be a close approximation. I'd prefer to see a proper crew credit added to the program, rather than dilute the OMB credit with credits that really aren't OMB. If you use custom credits for this stuff, audits wouldn't be required when the program gets updated. | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,879 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting KinoNiki: Quote: I thought OMB had to be an original work. Since an adaptation is something else (it has to be based on something), wouldn't it be better to have Adaptation By as a unique entry in the crew chart? Otherwise we lose the distinction between the two which makes them pretty useless. This. I do not believe Adaptation By fits any of the categories we currently have under writing. I would like to see it added to the list, but currently I do not believe it is a credit we can properly track. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world. -- Thorin Oakenshield |
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Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Danae Cassandra: Quote: Quoting KinoNiki:
Quote: I thought OMB had to be an original work. Since an adaptation is something else (it has to be based on something), wouldn't it be better to have Adaptation By as a unique entry in the crew chart? Otherwise we lose the distinction between the two which makes them pretty useless. This.
I do not believe Adaptation By fits any of the categories we currently have under writing. I would like to see it added to the list, but currently I do not believe it is a credit we can properly track. This. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: For the reasons mdnitoil stated, I always enter it as OMB. Me too. |
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Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,656 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting KinoNiki: Quote: I thought OMB had to be an original work. Since an adaptation is something else (it has to be based on something), wouldn't it be better to have Adaptation By as a unique entry in the crew chart? Otherwise we lose the distinction between the two which makes them pretty useless. While I don't have an issue with someone putting it in as OMB, I wouldn't do it myself for these reasons. IMO, adapted by is not original material at all. Someone is adapting someone else's characters and ideas for a movie, they aren't creating something original themselves. As mdnitoil wrote, it's more than just writing something new down, and there's a lot that it entails (which is partially why I can understand why they should get some sort of credit), but I would rather see it in its own field. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
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