I think it is time to really talk about this.

We have multpile divisions within the crew credits.

Main Movie Production
Main Movie Post Production
Unit crew
Location Crew
Location Crew Unit crew
Restoration crew (or something like that)


Now obviously the first 2 are included within the credits, and any of the labeled unit crews are not (per the rules)

Apparently we accept restoration crew(not in the rules) (as long as the crew members fit within our established roles) 

So this leaves Location crew.  Location crew(i.e. Los Angeles Crew) is not unit crew (i.e. Los Angeles 2nd Unit).  I have edited movies that have multiple location crews and associated unit crews.

1st question - do we want to track location crew?

  if yes then

Is there anything within the rules, that prevent us from entering location crews?
Do we need a rules alteration to implicitly allow them?

If no, then

Why not?


At this point, just throwing this out, to gauge opinion

Thanx

Charlie

Ihave to say a careful review of the Rules seems to indicate the prohibition against 2nd or Unit Crew appears to have been lifted, maybe i am overlooking it but I don't see it anymore. Ken has not issued any comment so I am a bit lost. Maybe

I was under the impression that location crew was considered as a unit crew. But I can see the benefit of adding location crews. And it doens't appear to be prohibited by the rules.

One thing I would like to see, is using dividers for the different location crews. Now, if we use the new group dividers, we'd have to make a group divider per crew section. If we use episode dividers, we can seperate each crew the way they appear on screen.

Food for thought...

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But that doe snot refer to Loaction Crew anymore. Hmmm.

It never did: no change there. It's just that as cvermeylen said, we used to have a consensus that location crew was considered as unit crew. Now, not everyone agrees on that anymore. The main cause for that is films like 'Babel' or 'Crocodile Dundee' where the main unit is split over two or more location crews. That, IMHO, is the key: I'm willing to track them if they're main units. James made a very sensible post about this in the previous location crew-thread:

Quoting m.cellophane:

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I did the credits recently for Babel. There was a bit of general crew, but after the production designer and the costume designers were listed, all other art department crew were under the 3 location headers. To me, that's the clue. If you have already listed some general make-up crew, don't list the make-up crew you find under location headers. On the other hand, if the only make-up crew is under a location header, that's ok. That's an indication of a multi-location general crew. In my opinion. 

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How do you define "main" unit from a non-main unit.

I think James hit the nail right on the head on that one. Doesn't seem to be overly complicated.

I have to agree with Skip on this point. Either we track location crew, or we don't. Conditional often leaves too much room for interpretation.

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The point is we shouldn't, tim.

Well, then we've just got to look at what the rules currently say, which is simply:

Do not enter unit crew such as "Unit Photographer"

So it's a wholesale "no unit crew": no distinction is made between "2nd unit" or "location unit". So per the rules, both are out. Fine with me - I much prefer that I have to track some extra stuff locally for two or three films than having to deal with heaps of nonsense I don't want coming down for thousands of profiles.

Quoting T!M:

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Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:

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The point is we shouldn't, tim.

Well, then we've just got to look at what the rules currently say, which is simply:

Do not enter unit crew such as "Unit Photographer"

So it's a wholesale "no unit crew": no distinction is made between "2nd unit" or "location unit". So per the rules, both are out. Fine with me - I much prefer that I have to track some extra stuff locally for two or three films than having to deal with heaps of nonsense I don't want coming down for thousands of profiles.

A distinction may not be made in the rules, but the distinction really isn't needed as unit crew and location crew are not the same.