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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKulju
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Hi,

I just verified my Avatar Blu-Ray + DVD combo UK Steelbook [5039036044073] audio and subtitles with PS3 and now we are getting contributions with completely different subtitles and audio tracks also verified with PS3. How do we know which one is correct and what to contribute? For example my disc has Finnish subtitles.   
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One way is to check the Disc-ID of the releases if you've got Blu-ray drives. It's possible two different sites were used for production and for some reason received different data to include.

If that is the situation, I'm not sure which should get priority. Possibly the release that matches the cover.
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Quoting Forget_the_Rest:
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One way is to check the Disc-ID of the releases if you've got Blu-ray drives.

Unfortunately I don't have a Blu-Ray drive.
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If that is the situation, I'm not sure which should get priority. Possibly the release that matches the cover.

Do I remember correctly that in some special cases Ken has created two separate profiles even when they have same UPC and locality?
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Do I remember correctly that in some special cases Ken has created two separate profiles even when they have same UPC and locality?


I'm pretty sure that I've heard Skip mention it before. I think it was for a T2 release or something similar but now only one exists in the database or something like that (sorry was ages ago I read that).
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Kulju:

There has been ONE such case. And since you can't read the Disc ID s you can only speculate. It's possible they are the same disc Id but someone did not submit complete data, we can't tell and unfortunately neither can you.

Ken has setup dual Profiles once a long time ago and that was necessary, it's a manual override and because of that there has to be a very good reason to do so, otherwise Ken would be overloaded with requests to exercise it and he would have little time to actually program.
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Now it's getting even worst. It seems that UK Blu-Ray + DVD Combo (HD Keep case, slip cover) and Blu-Ray + DVD Combo (steelbook) share same DVD (Disc ID's match). Endless ping ponging about Case Type and Overview...
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From what I understand, the Steelbook release is a limited edition, right? If so then I believe the general consensus is to use the main release.
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I think that this mystery is starting to reveal. I did some investigative work and I must say, it's a first time that I see anything like this. It seems that Swedish importer has ordered a bunch of UK Steelbook covers and filled 'em with scandinavian discs   Case matches UK steelbook exactly.

Then this mystic mixture was exported again to Finland and it is sold here as an imported product. So when I bought this release and I knew it was an Import, it had UK covers with UK rating details and everything, I automatically assumed that it was imported from UK which is very common here. Only difficulty now is how do I document this?

If you go to Swedish site:
http://www.discshop.se/shop/ds_produkt.php?lang=&id=80454&lang=se&subsite=bluray&&ref=

scroll down until you see "Information om skivan" Click "Visa utökad info" to see more info. There you can find "Ursprungsland:Sverige" which translates (my swedish is bit rusty) "Country of Origin: Sweden" in this case meaning the country of origin of the release, not the film.

Same thing in Finnish site:
http://www.discshop.fi/shop/ds_produkt.php?lang=&id=72971&lang=fi&subsite=bluray&&ref=

(Tuonti Suom.Teksti) translates (Import with finnish subtitles).

scroll down until you see "Tietoa levystä" Click "Näytä lisätietoja" to see more info. There you can find "Alkuperäismaa:Ruotsi" which translates "Country of Origin: Sweden" in this case meaning the country of origin of the release, not the film.

Is it even possible to make things any more complicate???
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Why not just add it under the Finnish or Swedish locality then? It's not likely to conflict with any domestic releases.
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I think that this mystery is starting to reveal. I did some investigative work and I must say, it's a first time that I see anything like this. It seems that Swedish importer has ordered a bunch of UK Steelbook covers and filled 'em with scandinavian discs   Case matches UK steelbook exactly.

Then this mystic mixture was exported again to Finland and it is sold here as an imported product. So when I bought this release and I knew it was an Import, it had UK covers with UK rating details and everything, I automatically assumed that it was imported from UK which is very common here. Only difficulty now is how do I document this?

If you go to Swedish site:
http://www.discshop.se/shop/ds_produkt.php?lang=&id=80454&lang=se&subsite=bluray&&ref=

scroll down until you see "Information om skivan" Click "Visa utökad info" to see more info. There you can find "Ursprungsland:Sverige" which translates (my swedish is bit rusty) "Country of Origin: Sweden" in this case meaning the country of origin of the release, not the film.

Same thing in Finnish site:
http://www.discshop.fi/shop/ds_produkt.php?lang=&id=72971&lang=fi&subsite=bluray&&ref=

(Tuonti Suom.Teksti) translates (Import with finnish subtitles).

scroll down until you see "Tietoa levystä" Click "Näytä lisätietoja" to see more info. There you can find "Alkuperäismaa:Ruotsi" which translates "Country of Origin: Sweden" in this case meaning the country of origin of the release, not the film.

Is it even possible to make things any more complicate???

Shhh, don't give them any ideas, pal. Over here when they released 2012, they issued TWO  different Slips under the SAME UPC.
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From what I understand, the Steelbook release is a limited edition, right? If so then I believe the general consensus is to use the main release.


While it is a limited release, the UPC should be different, allowing for another profile to be created.  It would be pretty stupid to have the same UPC on both releases.  Makes it really hard to track the product at stores, etc.
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Except there is absolutely nothing that prevents someone from doing exactly what was described. Buy up a supply of Steelbook cases, take out the discs, and replace them with the desired disc. Amazon has done similar things in the past...creating their own Boxsets from nothing. Even B & M stores have done similar things before, I remember a couple of years ago Borders Books ran a create your own Boxset promotion.

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From what I understand, the Steelbook release is a limited edition, right? If so then I believe the general consensus is to use the main release.


While it is a limited release, the UPC should be different, allowing for another profile to be created.  It would be pretty stupid to have the same UPC on both releases.  Makes it really hard to track the product at stores, etc.


He was talking about the extra DVD. The EAN here isn't relevant but the Disc-ID.
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Why not just add it under the Finnish or Swedish locality then? It's not likely to conflict with any domestic releases.

I already did that, Sweden was the correct locality in this case.

It's very common here that Finnish release has an UK disc, but this was the first (and hopefully last) with UK covers and scandinavian discs.
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There is a way to indentify these two discs without Blu-Ray drive.

There is a "serial" printed on disc under word "AVATAR".
Scandinavian release has F3-SCA-39603-BD-AA
UK has F1 39603 BD AA
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Hmmm I wonder is that a Serial #, in which case it should be unique to each copy OR perhaps they printed the Disc ID, not that helps because even if it is, it can't be manually entered.

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