Quoting the Contribution Rules (bolding by me):

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Enter the episode number and title in the divider that marks the beginning of that episode's credit list. The divider should be formatted as "1. Episode Title", or "Episode 1" if no title is available.

Take the episode title from the episode itself, or from elsewhere on the DVD or DVD packaging, exactly as shown. If all episode titles are entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead. If the episodes are listed with quotes around each title, exclude the quotes.

If the DVD or DVD packaging specifically numbers the episodes, use that number in the divider. Otherwise, episodes are to be numbered sequentially in the order that they appear on the DVD(s) in the set, with the number sequence carrying over from disc to disc. Do not number non-episodic features such as movies or alternate cuts unless they are given specific numbers on the DVD or DVD packaging.

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Thanks guys.

This has got me to look at the star trek tv series and looking at Deep Space Nine. The menus on the disc use the episodes production codes next to the episode title (so the pilot is 721 the second episode is 404, third episode is 403 etc). However in the booklets the episodes are numbered 1 - 26 for each series.

I see that the US releases have been entered using the production codes as the episode numbers. Would this be correct as they aren't really the episode number - just the production code (which by the way don't even continue in order as episodes were shot out of order)

Or because this is on the actual disc it overrides the booklet and common sense for numbering (1,2,3,4,etc).

Just asking as I am about to submit complete crew information for each season and want to know what episode numbering system to use.

Quoting eggerty:

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However in the booklets the episodes are numbered 1 - 26 for each series.

That's what I'd use - not the production codes.

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Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:

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Hal:

I am sorry, my friend, while I understand what you are saying, it is also irrational. To follw a numbering system that makes positively NO sense at all. Episode 1=721 and Episode 2=404, is just silly. I would agree that is might be a useful piece of information and perhaps in a future release Ken could include a field for production Number which could be used when it is available, but other wise NO.<shakes head> I gather that you like the production number and are simply leaning on the rules to be ar about using it, when it in reality doesn't really help. I have, as you have I am sure, seen Series where they DO start with number One and continue with sequential numbering throughout the run of the series. But most times the episodes are either numbered 1 to whatever with each season or not numbered at all.

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So you're syaing that for episode numbers, the DVD itself is not the authoritative source.

Can you please tell me where in the Rules to find this exception?

Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:

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Hal:

I am sorry, my friend, while I understand what you are saying, it is also irrational. To follw a numbering system that makes positively NO sense at all. Episode 1=721 and Episode 2=404, is just silly. I would agree that is might be a useful piece of information and perhaps in a future release Ken could include a field for production Number which could be used when it is available, but other wise NO.<shakes head> I gather that you like the production number and are simply leaning on the rules to be ar about using it, when it in reality doesn't really help. I have, as you have I am sure, seen Series where they DO start with number One and continue with sequential numbering throughout the run of the series. But most times the episodes are either numbered 1 to whatever with each season or not numbered at all.

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Silly or not, hal is correct.  Here is the pertinent part of the rule:

If the DVD or DVD packaging specifically numbers the episodes, use that number in the divider.

In addition, the introduction of the rules states, "The authoritative source for information submitted should be the DVD itself."  That means the information on the DVD trumps any other source.  Since the DVD menu has a numbering system, we are required, per the rules, to use it.

Quoting TheMadMartian:

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Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:

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Hal:

I am sorry, my friend, while I understand what you are saying, it is also irrational. To follw a numbering system that makes positively NO sense at all. Episode 1=721 and Episode 2=404, is just silly. I would agree that is might be a useful piece of information and perhaps in a future release Ken could include a field for production Number which could be used when it is available, but other wise NO.<shakes head> I gather that you like the production number and are simply leaning on the rules to be ar about using it, when it in reality doesn't really help. I have, as you have I am sure, seen Series where they DO start with number One and continue with sequential numbering throughout the run of the series. But most times the episodes are either numbered 1 to whatever with each season or not numbered at all.

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Silly or not, hal is correct.  Here is the pertinent part of the rule:

If the DVD or DVD packaging specifically numbers the episodes, use that number in the divider.

In addition, the introduction of the rules states, "The authoritative source for information submitted should be the DVD itself."  That means the information on the DVD trumps any other source.  Since the DVD menu has a numbering system, we are required, per the rules, to use it.

1) You don't need to quote Rules to me.
2) It ii s still utterly stupid and simply being completely anal.
3) Where in the Rules are production numbers mentioned AT ALL? Answer...they aren't.

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