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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsamuelrichardscott
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Unfortunately, it seems if you have two actors/actresses with same name, it tends to include both people (or more if it is a common name).

Ken, I have zero technical skill so no idea how it easy it would be to implement but how about if you search for a name that has more than one entry, the CLT allows you to sort by birth year?

Thanks for listening, and I'm sure this has been said before but the search is rubbish
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If your last sentence is referring to the Forum search: try using Google with "site:invelos.com" preceding your search terms. That'll give you much better results.
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Unfortunately, it seems if you have two actors/actresses with same name, it tends to include both people (or more if it is a common name).

It doesn't just "tend" to to that - it simply does that. I've seen many attempts at adding or removing common names based on large numbers of credits of an entirely different person. Frankly, the amount of time I spend on explaining these issues and dissecting the CLT numbers is worrying.

It would indeed be a big help if the CLT took birth years into consideration somehow - although I've found that even readily-available birth years that were extensively documented years ago, often still aren't propagated to about 85% of the person's profiles. So even if the CLT did take them into account, that would still be a problem.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantGraveworm
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The issue is that the contribution notes only require the CLT result. IMO it should be necessary to explain the basis that they are the same person. I always check when voting on these and whilst I find in all your submissions Tim that this is spot on  in others it is not. You often get John T Smith [John Smith] When John T uses the middle initial to distinguish between him and the other John.
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While I absolutely agree that the contribution notes require the CLT results in cases like this, forgive me if I seem doubtful, but that won't solve the problem.

One, the contributor could simply include the CLT results without realizing they're even counting incorrect profiles into the totals.

Two, to actually expect a contributor to painstakingly search through the CLT results to accurately remove every single instance of an icorrect actor or crew member (in some cases with common names, anywhere from 3 to like 15 separate people) and then try and explain the actual results in their contribution notes is just not realistic.

Take the example of Brian Johnson, which is a name recently posted in the BY thread. According to the count, there's at least seven different Brian Johnson's that could possibly be in the CLT results. To have to manually filter out every incorrect entry for the wrong Brian Johnson's... Hey, I have no life besides school these days, but even I'm not willing to take on that task to get the right name in my local. 

This is really just one more example of why the CLT is borderline useless in a lot of situations and why the linking system that's in place just really does not work in too many instances.
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This is really just one more example of why the CLT is borderline useless in a lot of situations

It is. Not to sound harsh, but it's just not the one-stop solution some people think it is - you can never ever take the numbers on face value. You always have to take into account the batch of IMDb-mined data that is still in the database, you have to take into account the fact that many profiles are still missing the original title and as such, are erroneously counted as multiple titles, you have to take into account that it doesn't differentiate between people with the same name, not even when there are birth years attached, and you have to take into account the many TV-sets with localised (translated) season indicators as part of the title, which, again, are erroneously counted as multiple titles (and this last problem multiplies with child profiles for TV sets). All of those issues throw off the numbers, and it's often a mammoth task to get to the truth. I do that, but it's indeed (and understandably) an ordeal that very few people are willing to go through.
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Matthias (Good_Guy), who sadly left the DVD Profiler community, wrote an excellent, no, make that indispensable, tool that showed CLT results with birth years, parsing variations and 'credited as' names. It's incredibly easy to spot variations in production years, missing original titles and much more. There are some inaccuracies, but the pros far outweigh the cons.

Edit: removed text.

It looks something like this:
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Yeah, I'm an avid user of the Credit Lookup Plus, too.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorJimmy S
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the CLT is borderline useless in a lot of situations and why the linking system that's in place just really does not work in too many instances.

And it will continue to be as long as one user will continue is quest to do all the dvd cast and crew without owning the dvd themselves...
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(...) it doesn't differentiate between people with the same name, not even when there are birth years attached, (...)

At least this flaw should be corrected by Invelos, the sooner the better.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorJimmy S
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Unfortunately his site isn't live anymore, but if anyone wants it, send me a pm with your mail address and I'll send it (a small .hta file) to you.

Matthias had asked to no do that, I think it's better to respect his wish.
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Unfortunately his site isn't live anymore, but if anyone wants it, send me a pm with your mail address and I'll send it (a small .hta file) to you.

Under what kind of license has he originally released this tool?
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I just got a pm from Matthias, asking me not to redistribute the CLT+ tool anymore. The terms of use allow it, but he just doesn't support the program anymore. Sorry folks.
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Quoting T!M:
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(...) it doesn't differentiate between people with the same name, not even when there are birth years attached, (...)

At least this flaw should be corrected by Invelos, the sooner the better.


I had brought this up to Ken a long time ago... here is his reply...

Quoting Ken Cole (November 13, 2007 5:06 PM)
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Currently the index is not built to consider birth years.  I'll add it to my list for further investigation.  The complication is that the lookup goes based on the Credited As field, which does not have a direct tie to birth year.  The birth year is tied to the common name entered for that credit, which is not considered for the lookup tool.  Still, possibly there's a way to make it work.


I was hoping he would be able to figure something out for it long before now... but unfortunately so far nothing.
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Quoting AESP_pres:
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the CLT is borderline useless in a lot of situations and why the linking system that's in place just really does not work in too many instances.

And it will continue to be as long as one user will continue is quest to do all the dvd cast and crew without owning the dvd themselves...


We have such different opinions on this! 

If said user (and I'll admit, I've been one a few times in my DVDProfiler career  ) is removing bad info from the CLT, such as IMDB mined data, it's only going to increase the validity of the CLT.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorJimmy S
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You aren't the user I was thinking of Merrik since you always start a common name thread to let the owner of the dvds check before contributing the change.

I've no problem with the way you do it
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