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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,491 |
| | Posted: | | | | was doing some editing on Sideways and found Thomas /Haden/ Church.. looked into this unusual last name and found on Wikipedia the following quote: He was raised under his stepfather's surname, "Quesada", and later changed his surname to "Haden Church" (both names are in his family tree) . I then changed my edition of Sideways (024543175858) to Thomas /Haden Church.,
there are a dozen false entries in the data base of Haden being his middle name.. I don't have time to change the vast majority of these today, ( this post would be quicker for all you owners to look into your own data) and make he necessary changes to the others or maybe not .. discussion? | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote:
.. discussion? No discussion please. Your documentation is good enough (at least for me). Everybody who cares should change his profiles and contribute without any discussion. A link to this thread should be enough documentation. But I'm sure the discussion will not stop here.  |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Agree. If it's on Wikipedia it HAS to be true.   |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
Agree. If it's on Wikipedia it HAS to be true.
Several tests have shown that wikipedia has not more errors than any other classic encyclopaedia. The errors are just a different kind of error. While a classic encyclopaedia usually has no errors which have been added on purpose, wikipedia is prone to that kind of errors. But they have improved on this with several mechanisms. On the other hand wikipedia is much better prove read than a classic encyclopaedia and is faster updated as well. | | | | Last edited: by RHo |
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| Registered: September 18, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,650 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with widescreenforever that it's his surname and updated mine locally. I need more evidence personally before submitting online though as Wikipedia isn't a reliable source IMO. His agent has no e-mail butr someone can always phone the LA office http://www.caatouring.com/Default.aspx?Page=contact  |
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| Registered: September 18, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,650 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
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Agree. If it's on Wikipedia it HAS to be true.
Several tests have shown that wikipedia has not more errors than any other classic encyclopaedia. The errors are just a different kind of errors. While a classic encyclopaedia usually has no errors which have been added on purpose, wikipedia is prone to that kind of errors. But they have improved on this with several mechanism. On the other hand wikipedia is much better prove read than a classic encyclopaedia and is faster updated as well. The problem with Wikipedia is that I can go change it right now and use that has evidence it isn't his surname. Sure it will be reverted back but it the data is easily manipulated. (I do agree it is 1//23 though). |
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| Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting samuelrichardscott: Quote:
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Agree. If it's on Wikipedia it HAS to be true.
Several tests have shown that wikipedia has not more errors than any other classic encyclopaedia. The errors are just a different kind of errors. While a classic encyclopaedia usually has no errors which have been added on purpose, wikipedia is prone to that kind of errors. But they have improved on this with several mechanism. On the other hand wikipedia is much better prove read than a classic encyclopaedia and is faster updated as well.
The problem with Wikipedia is that I can go change it right now and use that has evidence it isn't his surname. Sure it will be reverted back but it the data is easily manipulated. (I do agree it is 1//23 though). This. When debating something, I tend not to use wikipedia because it's data is so easily manipulated. But I also agree with Hayden Churhch being his surname because I use common sense. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting samuelrichardscott: Quote:
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Several tests have shown that wikipedia has not more errors than any other classic encyclopaedia. The errors are just a different kind of errors. While a classic encyclopaedia usually has no errors which have been added on purpose, wikipedia is prone to that kind of errors. But they have improved on this with several mechanism. On the other hand wikipedia is much better prove read than a classic encyclopaedia and is faster updated as well.
The problem with Wikipedia is that I can go change it right now and use that has evidence it isn't his surname. Sure it will be reverted back but it the data is easily manipulated. (I do agree it is 1//23 though). That's what I meant when I've said: While a classic encyclopaedia usually has no errors which have been added on purpose, wikipedia is prone to that kind of errors.But I've also said: But they have improved on this with several mechanism.One of these mechanism is that not every page gets updated immediately when you try to change it. They have introduced some kind of screening process to some kind of pages similar to the screening process on our contributions here. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
This. When debating something, I tend not to use wikipedia because it's data is so easily manipulated. Me on the other side, I take every source with a grain of salt. It depends on the importance of the data how much research I'm willing to do for some specific data and how much conflicting info I can already see. For the parsing of a name in a film credit a single phone book entry, an interview where the person is addressed as Mr. or Mrs. family name, or even a wikipedia article would do as long no other conflicting data source shows up. | | | | Last edited: by RHo |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
And I agree also that wikipedia is not perfect.  As everybody does in this thread including myself. But I know that no (non trivial) data source is perfect. |
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And I agree also that wikipedia is not perfect.
As everybody does in this thread including myself.
But I know that no (non trivial) data source is perfect. Also agree on this, but as we most times don't have other sources, we've to live with this unsureness.  |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
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And I agree also that wikipedia is not perfect.
As everybody does in this thread including myself.
But I know that no (non trivial) data source is perfect.
Also agree on this, but as we most times don't have other sources, we've to live with this unsureness. Yes, even with he uncertainty of wikipedia. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
We're not the only one thinking about his name:
http://www.who2.com/blog/2008/04/thomas-richard-haden-church-mcmillen.html
(Perhaps it helps) So now we have conflicting sources and have to weight them in. And by the way the sources cited in wikipedia about this are shown to be valid and well documented. But even those sources (news paper article) do show some degree of uncertainty. | | | | Last edited: by RHo |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Based on the additional data and after reading some of the article, I have to agree with the conclusion that Church is his sole last name. Just another example of why I suggest more careful researching, more than one source, and Wiki is to be no more trusted than IMDb.
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