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Disc Ids not matching to child profiles
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I've a question and hope I'll get some good answers. 

I have to vote on a contribution that put in child profiles (based on Disc Ids) to a profile.
But the Disc Ids of the child profiles aren't matching to the actual Disc Ids in this profile. (And the actual Ids seem to be from original and first release)

Won't say it's a bootleg, it could also be a rerelease with different Discs.

What would you do in this case?
Accept it even if you don't know, if this is correct or vote no on such changes?

If it is interesting in any way: it's a TV series.
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There are times depending on who manufatured the discs they may have different discIDs (for the same content).

However it could be for your TV set they manufactured with different discIDs for that particular set.  If the existing parent profile currently does not have child profiles associated with it then use the discIDs you have for that set not the ones currently in the database as those may be associated with a different set.
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There are times depending on who manufatured the discs they may have different discIDs (for the same content).

However it could be for your TV set they manufactured with different discIDs for that particular set.  If the existing parent profile currently does not have child profiles associated with it then use the discIDs you have for that set not the ones currently in the database as those may be associated with a different set.


huh? a profile can be associated with more than one set. It won't loose it's set so that last statement is irrelevant.

What he is saying (as I understand it) is the disc id's in the discs section list a, b, and c but the box set contents being  contributed are e, f, and g

If there is currently no child profiles I'd say its fine. How do you know the disc ids listed on the box are the first ones and not a second release. Unless it can be proven which disc id is the first release (and there could have been more than one disc id at the time of initial release) I'd say first one in wins.

-Agrare
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Reading what VirusPil has to say it sounds like this profile currently doesn't have any children associated with it.  If the child discs that are being contributed are from a diffrent release then no they shouldn't be added, child profiles from this release should be contributed and added to this release.

It might help to know more about this release is it just a later pressing with the same UPC or does it have a unique UPC/EAN for this release?
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Another possibility could be that the profiles Disc-IDs are wrong: There was a time when using AnyDVD altered the Disc-ID that was read by DVD Profiler. This has been fixed long ago, but there are still some old and wrong Disc-IDs in the database.
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Reading what VirusPil has to say it sounds like this profile currently doesn't have any children associated with it.


agreed

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If the child discs that are being contributed are from a diffrent release then no they shouldn't be added, child profiles from this release should be contributed and added to this release.


also agreed

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It might help to know more about this release is it just a later pressing with the same UPC or does it have a unique UPC/EAN for this release?


also agree

however, I don't see where you are getting that child profiles from a different release are being added to this release.

He said the contribution 'put in child profiles'. that sounds like there are currently no box set contents in the online version of the profile. I assume he is comparing the disc id's of the child profiles being contributed to either a) his local or b) the current disc section of the parent profile (which would only be populated if this is a tv series).

either way i see no reason to believe that the profiles being added are from some other release (information on packaging, cover art, etc would be required to determine this). Since any given release can have multiple disc ids, and these multiple disc id's can occur right from the original release. who's to say his disc id's are correct and these are wrong? there is no way (that I know of) to determine which disc id came out first (that is assuming they even came out at different times).

So, if there is currently no children in the profile and this contribution is adding child profiles (and those profiles data matches this set) I'd say it's a valid contribution.

Of course unless more info is provided by the OP anything we say here is pure speculation because we don't know the slightest bit of info other than it's a profile with children. Since Disc ID's are mentioned multiple times in the post but we don't know where each reference is from (disc section, profile id, box set content, disc id of the OP's copy) the post can mean almost anything. Plus throwing the word bootleg out there is just unnecessary because there is no reason (from what was posted) to assume that this is a bootleg and can only serve to bias the reader to believing the contribution is in error.

-Agrare
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How do you "Add to collection..." with given Disc-ID, e.g. "I9C073B6E67F097F1 (Germany)"?
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First: Don't wanted to say too much to influence the comments too much. Perhaps it was too little. 

And second (Sorry, if it sounded wrong): I never wanted to say the contributer wants to add a bootleg.

To Agrare's last post:
- It's a TV series like I wrote in first post.
- The contributed child profiles/Disc Ids differ from my local and the Disc Ids in parent. (Think the second part I also wrote in first post)
- Existing profile has no childs yet.

My opinion: As there can also be different Disc Ids in one release, I also think the contribution is valid. (The first that comes wins)

As the child profiles aren't released yet or not in database, I can't check if the adding of the childs bring a benefit to the profile. As I've seen all information, for example cast and crew, are complete in the existing profile/new parent.
So the next question is: In that case just because if it's valid, voting blindly Yes?

Btw, is it possible (technically) to add childs to a profile, that aren't yet in database?
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How do you "Add to collection..." with given Disc-ID, e.g. "I9C073B6E67F097F1 (Germany)"?


Hmm, good catch. This is one of the new childs. 
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Another possibility could be that the profiles Disc-IDs are wrong: There was a time when using AnyDVD altered the Disc-ID that was read by DVD Profiler. This has been fixed long ago, but there are still some old and wrong Disc-IDs in the database.


Good idea.

The existing profile/new parent has non-influenced Disc Ids. I get the same Disc Ids I get with a read-out, with or without the fox.
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Reading what VirusPil has to say it sounds like this profile currently doesn't have any children associated with it.


Correct.

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If the child discs that are being contributed are from a diffrent release then no they shouldn't be added, child profiles from this release should be contributed and added to this release.


If it's a different release, I can't say. Disc Ids can also change in one release. Could be just another charge
... or later pressing.

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It might help to know more about this release is it just a later pressing with the same UPC or does it have a unique UPC/EAN for this release?


It's a profile based on UPC. If the Disc Ids, the contributor added, are from another release I can't say. That's one of the points we've to trust. As there is no other profile for this (first) part of the season is in database, the chance is good that there was not yet a rerelease with different UPC.
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How do you "Add to collection..." with given Disc-ID, e.g. "I9C073B6E67F097F1 (Germany)"?


Hmm, good catch. This is one of the new childs. 
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As the child profiles aren't released yet or not in database, I can't check if the adding of the childs bring a benefit to the profile. As I've seen all information, for example cast and crew, are complete in the existing profile/new parent.
So the next question is: In that case just because if it's valid, voting blindly Yes?

Btw, is it possible (technically) to add childs to a profile, that aren't yet in database?


No it would not be a valid contribution.  The contributor needs to wait for the Child disc contributions to be approved before adding them to the parent contribution.

1) Like you said you have no way of check if they are valid.

2) What if they don't get approved or are never added to the database then it makes the contribution to the parent a useless contribution.
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First: Don't wanted to say too much to influence the comments too much. Perhaps it was too little. 

And second (Sorry, if it sounded wrong): I never wanted to say the contributer wants to add a bootleg.


I can understand asking the question in a general sense and not trying to give the specific profile right away. And I wasn't saying you were accusing them of adding a bootleg, just that some people might see bootleg while reading it and go into instant "Bootlegs not allowed" mode and answer based on just that one word and not based on the info of the profiles.

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To Agrare's last post:
- It's a TV series like I wrote in first post.
- The contributed child profiles/Disc Ids differ from my local and the Disc Ids in parent. (Think the second part I also wrote in first post)
- Existing profile has no childs yet.


sorry, didn't re-read the post. These answers are in line with my response in my first post so I must have picked up on it but then through the other posts just didn't realize it was stated.

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My opinion: As there can also be different Disc Ids in one release, I also think the contribution is valid. (The first that comes wins)


it's also possible that the disc id's shown in the parent profile are newer as I am pretty sure only the last submitted disc id's are shown even though all are stored. So

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As the child profiles aren't released yet or not in database, I can't check if the adding of the childs bring a benefit to the profile. As I've seen all information, for example cast and crew, are complete in the existing profile/new parent.
So the next question is: In that case just because if it's valid, voting blindly Yes?

Btw, is it possible (technically) to add childs to a profile, that aren't yet in database?


it is possible if you add the child profiles yourself, attach them to the box set and then contribute the parent. Even if you contribute the new child profiles they woudn't show up until the next day when they were approved and released.

as far as the benefit of adding the children take a look at the tv section in the rules but basically it will be profiles for just the episodes on that disc. Some people like it this way and keep the parent blank because the smaller cast lists are easier to manage, some don't use the child profiles and just keep all the info in the parent. Personal preference but the rules essentially allow for both methods to be in the online

If you want to add a specific by disc id profile easiest way is to go to add by disc id and put the disc in. If you don't have the disc then add by title and select the one that has the matching disc id.

You may want to look at the profiles that are being submitted as children, but to me it looks perfectly valid (without checking the info in the profile). Since not everyone uses Child profiles on their TV shows it's possible for the parent to exist for a long time before children are created (I still have some that don't have child profiles yet) so disc id's could be updated in the parent or the person that finally makes the children may have the newer disc ids. as long as the UPC of the parent they are from matches I'd say first in (as the box set contents) wins.

-Agrare
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Thanks for the opinions and good answers. 

Like you said, Agrare, both is allowed according to the rules, but is it also allowed in this case to have cast & crew in parent and childs at same time?
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Thanks for the opinions and good answers. 

Like you said, Agrare, both is allowed according to the rules, but is it also allowed in this case to have cast & crew in parent and childs at same time?


Yes, TV shows can have the cast & crew in the parent unlike movie box sets. It's a lot easier to just delete the cast\crew if you use child profiles than it is to add it all if you don't

-Agrare
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