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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 453 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm just wondering why it was decided that the slip cover was the original cover and was to be scanned for an approved cover scan?
I ask because now days its so hard to find older titles with slip covers still intact and we all know they are limited. So when you get a title and cant find one with a slip cover you have to suffer with a cover scan of the original artwork even though you don't own the slip cover...Unless you have access to a good scanner...
Seems more logical to either have available scans of both cover and slip cover when avaliable or only the cover scan itself for the database.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Mike:
It was decided because generally speaking (possible reflectivity issues aside) the slip cover is higher quality printing than the keep case and therefore a better image. Also remember that for all your personal issues, we deal with Original releases for cover art per the Rules, if you can't find a slip case because they are limited...so what...the slip case is usually the Original release. Now as for keeping them intact, I don't have any problem in that area, I have all the slip cases I have ever purchased.
As for you possessing a different cover OR wanting to do things differently locally, that sounds like a pretty good reason to put a scanner on your Christmas list, they are very cheap these days.
Now also as to your final point, I hope that someday we are able to deal with more than one possible images set for any given title, but today we are not able to do that. We have to live with that shortcoming and hope for more capability down the road. You aren't happy with the way it is and if it was done your way there are others who would not be happy, the Program will never be able to be all things to all people, we have what we have in any given version and accept the shortcomings.
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| Registered: February 23, 2009 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,580 |
| | Posted: | | | | Skip basically said it all.
The logical thing to do for the online database, is the put the cover of the first release ... even if later the slip cover is no longer included or small changes are made to the cover. That is the best way to have a consistent online database.
What I tend to do is download the profile from the online and if I bought a copy with a differt cover (either no slip cover or an alternate cover that came out later), I just make a scan myself and replace it. That way, locally I have an exact view of my collection with the (from my perspective) real covers while the online database has the first print covers as they were first released.
Being able to handle mutiple variant covers has been requested in the request forum before, but so far this has yet to be implemented (if ever) | | | Blu-ray collection
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | BTW, MIke, you can get a flatbed scanner for as little as $100. Not a bad one either.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | The Scanner/Printer/Copier combo I got at Walmart was only $40... and I have no complaints. Every one of my cover scans has been approved so far!  | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Taro: Quote:
That is the best way to have a consistent online database.
And the best way to have an useless online database. What is online should be what is interesting for most people. Those first releases, generally at higher price than re-releases, are not useful for the majority of users that would prefer to find in the online what matches with what they bought. | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | It would be wonderful if the program allowed one to choose the cover scan that matches the DVD they own. |
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| Registered: September 18, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,650 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
It would be wonderful if the program allowed one to choose the cover scan that matches the DVD they own. Yep. For me, this is a huge fault in the program along with the fact that you can't have two different titles with the same UPC. I constantly hear the words "this is a dvd profiler, not a movie profiler" bandied about and it would be nice if we could actually profile these dvd's properly online. Don't get me wrong, being able to at least do it locally is great, but not being able to do it online is a huge misgiving. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 223 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting Taro:
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That is the best way to have a consistent online database.
And the best way to have an useless online database. What is online should be what is interesting for most people. Those first releases, generally at higher price than re-releases, are not useful for the majority of users that would prefer to find in the online what matches with what they bought. I'd argue that a LOT of Profiler users are the kind of people that buy titles on release day.... ...and the online database is NOT useless....it get's a little tiring hearing that.....  |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting stevegblair: Quote:
I'd argue that a LOT of Profiler users are the kind of people that buy titles on release day....
I agree for a lot of forum users... Less than 200 in front of how many thousands profiler users ? | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,737 |
| | Posted: | | | | I read most of the forums and I just don't get how most people want the program to be exactly what they want and to heck with the rest! There are two very simple solutions to the problem: 1) Make your local database exactly what you want. Ken has given us all the tools we could ever want from entry, look-up, presentation right down to output, in minute detail. At least 1/4 of my database is set up the way I want, so I can look-up and view it whatever way I want to match my collection albeit original release or re-release with the same UPC. 2) Write your own d_ _n program and leave this one alone. There has to be a consistent starting point for the online that we can count on. OK it's not perfect, but it far outweighs the inconsistencies and limitations of other programs. Ken keeps improving it, giving us new tools to make it more flexible. Hobbies are supposed to be fun, not a vehicle to see how high up the tree you can make it wet. If you don't get that one, I'm sorry, but some will. OK, I know I could just not read the forums, but the truth is, most of the time, I sit here with a grin  on my face reading and shaking my head. I have actually gotten some very good tips from the forums, before they turn ugly. One of the most interesting things is how quickly the original topic goes south and people start using it to slam someone else. A lot of times I have to go back to page 1 just to find out what the original topic really was. Sorry, but I just can't help chiming in once in a while. | | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,850 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
It would be wonderful if the program allowed one to choose the cover scan that matches the DVD they own. It does. It's called 'buy yourself a scanner and make your own scans.' I've found that people often prefer cover art that doesn't look much like the actual DVD cover, and it can be difficult to get bad cover scans out of the online database. --------------- |
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| Registered: September 18, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,650 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Quoting Kathy:
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It would be wonderful if the program allowed one to choose the cover scan that matches the DVD they own.
It does. It's called 'buy yourself a scanner and make your own scans.' Why have online functions at all then? After all, you have the same resources as everybody else (ie. the disc). If not, buy it and make your own damn profile. I agree that this can be overridden with ease locally but let's be honest for one moment? Who the hell does not want to see additional options such as being able to select which cover art they own. After all, not only does it help SOME, but it disadvantages NONE! | | | | Last edited: by samuelrichardscott |
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| Registered: May 26, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 599 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting samuelrichardscott: Quote:
Quoting scotthm:
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Quoting Kathy:
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It would be wonderful if the program allowed one to choose the cover scan that matches the DVD they own.
It does. It's called 'buy yourself a scanner and make your own scans.'
Why have online functions at all then? After all, you have the same resources as everybody else (ie. the disc). If not, buy it and make your own damn profile.
I agree that this can be overridden with ease locally but let's be honest for one moment? Who the hell does not want to see additional options such as being able to select which cover art they own. After all, not only does it help SOME, but it disadvantages NONE! |
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| Registered: May 26, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 599 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
The Scanner/Printer/Copier combo I got at Walmart was only $40... and I have no complaints. Every one of my cover scans has been approved so far! What's the model? I need to get one, and it would be the perfect Christmas gift from my wife. |
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| Registered: February 23, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,580 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting Taro:
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That is the best way to have a consistent online database.
And the best way to have an useless online database. What is online should be what is interesting for most people. Those first releases, generally at higher price than re-releases, are not useful for the majority of users that would prefer to find in the online what matches with what they bought. The thing is, as long as it's technically not possible to manage multiple covers for one release in the online, we're forced to choose one cover. One way to handle it would be to always keep the most recent cover in the online, which can get hard to manage after a while (which cover came after which one type of discussions would arise). Personally, I think it's better to just stick with whatever was first released: less chance of getting the wrong cover and certain first-press cover can be around for a while (the other day I bought a blu-ray that was released over a year ago and it still had the slip cover). For those cases where my cover doesn't match the online, I just make a scan myself and adapt it locally: not whole lot of work and it matches my own collection perfectly. I can see there are pros and cons to both sides: take the most recent cover, the most often used cover or the first cover. Best way to deal with it would be to allow multiple covers per release and it's a feature request I certainly endorse. | | | Blu-ray collection
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