If they were submitted using an already approved DVD profile they are allowed by the rules.  As long as the contribution states they took it from another profile.

If you are talking about the Blazing Saddles profile, it appears they were never documented but, personally I wouldn't have bothered removing them as well since a some of these cast members are fairly well known as easily spotted.  And also, since Ken has state we are under no obligation to remove uncredited casts.

As far as those voting against the removal, it appears you are following the rules so I would just leave it up to the screeners at this point.

I am not sure you contribution is according to the rules. There is no way the uncredited are a carbon copy of IMDB and as such you would need to provide a source in your notes to remove them, at a minimum that you have watched the film and you couldn't see them. Whatever we may think about  the initial contribution and whether it should have had better documentation, it has been accepted. We know not why; maybe the screeners knew that it matched an accepted contribution or they thought that the data was accurate for any number of reasons. As it is, your changes need a source in the notes and you haven't provided one as far as I can see.

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Thanks, but I still don't understand how these new profile seem to keep getting by the Screener.

Well it shows contributed back in 2007 so it was probably a contribution made when users were populating data from the old site to this one.  So it may have been documented on the old site, not sure.

(edit: tracer never said it's unfortunate, that was my addition, he just said it's allowed per the rules when copying from an existing)
or as tracer said, unfortunately when copying a profile from an existing one it's not required to remove existing uncredited or copy over the documentation (or provide it if non exists). So all this does is continuously populate data that is impossible to ever remove because the burden of proof is now on proving they don't appear in the movie.

I would rather uncredited cast have a system similar to birth years where you need to check a box to contribute it and require documentation for each new submission (perhaps tied directly to the uncredited instead of in the general notes, actually slightly off topic but separate notes for each section would be nice)

This way people can keep it in their local but still contribute the rest of the cast without having to first remove uncredited from their local, contribute, then re-add if they want it. The current system allows too much undocumented uncredited because it is all copied over from grandfathered in profiles and that somehow makes it acceptable. And once they get in it's next to impossible to remove them with the current rules. If you're so sure they are correct it shouldn't be hard to find some documentation for them, until it's supplied though leave it out.

-Agrare

Sorry but its hard to believe info that is added because a screener didn't do there job correctlly.
'New Contribution' should not be allowed when accepting a profile.
When one Contributes it says
"For changes to existing profiles, enter a brief description of the changes you've made.

For all contributions, indicate the source of the data, especially cast and crew additions."

'New Contribution' says nothing and should be denied.

And now we are passing on mis-guided info from DVD to Blu-ray. And Credits should not be available to adding on pre-releases since they don't have the film to take them from.

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I would rather uncredited cast have a system similar to birth years where you need to check a box to contribute it and require documentation for each new submission

This is how it works now, unfortunately this was only implemented earlier this year.  Now there is a check box and justification must provided.  If the box isn't chekced the uncredited are stripped from the submission.  It has cleaned up new disc submissions pretty well.  The historical ones...well they are still problematic when it comes to trying and removing uncredited that don't have documentation.

Other thoughts:
http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=203219&messageID=410114#M410114

BTW just fior reference. I have provided for such other well known actors as Sally Kirkland, Richard Farnsworth and several lesser knowns such as Robert ridgely, all by means of screen caps I have located. So, if anything the list could be expanded.by 5 or 6 actors.

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For the record here is the uncredited list from a well known third party database
John Alderson ... Gum Chewer (uncredited)
Don Ames ... Townsman (uncredited)
Tom Anfinsen ... German Soldier (uncredited)
David Armstrong ... Pressman (uncredited)

Anne Bancroft ... Extra in Church Congregation (uncredited)
Alex Brown ... RR Worker (uncredited)
Eldon Burke ... Desperado (uncredited)
David Cadiente ... Mexican (uncredited)
Patrick Campbell ... MC at Lili Von Shtupp's show (uncredited)
Bill Catching ... Outlaw #1 (uncredited)
Ray Chabeau ... German Soldier Dancer (uncredited)
Donald Chaffin ... Townsman (uncredited)
Aneta Corsaut ... Tourist Mother (uncredited)
Dick Crockett ... Townsman #2 (uncredited)
George Dockstader ... Politician (uncredited)
Ross Dollarhyde ... Desperado (uncredited)
Stewart East ... Pressman (uncredited)
Kenny Endoso ... Mexican (uncredited)
Elly Enriquez ... Mexican (uncredited)

Richard Farnsworth ... Sheriff (uncredited)
Abel Franco ... Mexican bandit (uncredited)
Ben Frommer ... Convict (uncredited)
John Furlong ... Tourist Man (uncredited)
Rick Garcia ... Mexican Bandit (uncredited)
Chuck Hayward ... Outlaw #4 (uncredited)
Rosemary Johnston ... Townswoman (uncredited)
Madge Journeay ... Townswoman (uncredited)
M.J. Kane ... Leopold (uncredited)
Sally Kirkland ... Cashier (uncredited)

Patrick Labyorteaux ... Henry (uncredited)
Tex Lambert ... KKK Member (uncredited)
Jack Lilley ... Overseer (uncredited)
Craig Littler ... Tex (uncredited)
Jay Loft-Lyn ... RR Worker (uncredited)
Ralph Manza ... Extra in commissary playing Hitler (uncredited)
Jimmy Martinez ... Scared Mexican Man (uncredited)
Bert May ... German Soldier Dancer (uncredited)
Fred McDougall ... Desperado (uncredited)
Rod McGaughy ... Desperado (uncredited)
Bill McIntosh ... Desperado (uncredited)
Clyde McLeod ... Townsman (uncredited)
Troy Melton ... Member of the Press (uncredited)
Ira Miller ... Baker Man (uncredited)
Jessamine Milner ... Elderly Woman (uncredited)
Richard Monahan ... Dancer (uncredited)
Boyd 'Red' Morgan ... Outlaw #3 (uncredited)
Hal Needham ... Outlaw (uncredited)
Daniel Núñez ... Mexican (uncredited)
Harvey Parry ... (uncredited)
Jack Perkins ... Tomato Man (uncredited)
Alan Peterson ... German Soldier Dancer (uncredited)
Booty Reed ... RR Worker (uncredited)
Tony Regan ... Pressman (uncredited)
Danny 'Big Black' Rey ... Bart's Father (uncredited)
Robert Ridgely ... Boris the Hangman (uncredited)
Rodney Allen Rippy ... Bart (age 5) (uncredited)
Hank Robinson ... Townsman (uncredited)
Darrell Sandeen ... KKK Man (uncredited)
Fred Scheiwiller ... Outlaw #2 (uncredited)
Marrietta Schmidt ... Woman in Ladies Room (uncredited)
David Sharpe ... Man in Suit (uncredited)
Eddie Smith ... RR Worker (uncredited)
Tom Steele ... Townsman who falls from chair (uncredited)
Tim Sullivan ... Dancer (uncredited)
George Tracy ... Townsman (uncredited)
Jerry Trent ... Dancer (uncredited)
Frankie Van ... Fighter (uncredited)
Richard Vitagliano ... Anal Johnson (uncredited)
Al Ward ... Man at Pond (uncredited)
Janice Whitby ... Tour Guide (uncredited)
Joe Yrigoyen ... Townsman #3 (uncredited)
Bill Zuckert ... Official (uncredited)

And here is the list is being removed

John Alderson as Gum Chewer (uncredited)
Anne Bancroft as Church Congregation (uncredited)
Craig Littler as Tex (uncredited)
Harvey Parry (uncredited)
Gilda Radner as Townswoman in church (uncredited)
Robert Ridgely as Boris the Hangman (uncredited)
Rodney Allen Rippy as Bart (age 5) (uncredited)
Tom Steele (uncredited)

The people I have bolded are people for which I was able to locate screen caps from Blazing Saddles for documentation. I cannot find screen caps for Gilda, BUT there is tions of reference material that documents her appearance in the film...including my own hazy memory (which is not documentation).

As you can see they are not even remotely the same. Not even SIMILAR, lol. If the user does not withdraw the Contribution it should absolutely be declined. Should the screeners have allowed the data to just be brought into a new profile without documentation, NO, and for the record there was never any documentation for this version at Intervocative...I have looked, UNLESS perhaps there was documentation associated with the two previous DVD versions which I did not check. But the data is there and it is not a Carbon Copy of anyone else, AND it can easily be documented and EXPANDED so...the data cannot be removed.

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It's not a match to anything that is obvious. LOL My statement remains the SAME, those voting yes have done so in error per Ken's statement which you posted. There are far more (uncredited) listed in the source than are in our listing, THAT is not a match, Ken doesn't make any provisiion for a selective match, it's a match or it's not and it's not that is obvious. Have we moved to "Spin City".

I can document that Richard Farnsworth appears in Blazing Saddles and he plays the Sheriff, now just because I call him the Sheriff, means that I automatically match ANY other source? If that is your position then we can never list ANY (uncredited) data. That's kind of strange,, amigo. What about data which we take from the film credits which might also be the same data listed elsewhere does, by your logic we can't use that data either.<shakes head> Cleavon Little appears in the credits as Bart, which coincidentally matches data elsewhere,....STRANGE indeed.

A match is a match, not a selective match, not a bits and pieces match...a MATCH, this is no MATCH.

This represents the problems with writing Rules or even Laws for society, there is always someone that will try and spin the law to their advantage, because no Rule is ever going to be perfect. This is always going to be true and this place seems to specialize in spin, it's very clear to me what ken meant by match. 60 plus (uncredited) versus 8 is NO MATCH.

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