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Vanity producer credit vs. Production Company credit.... |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | I just got two votes to a correction I made to 'The Fast and The Furious'. In the contribution I removed the vanity producer credit from the studio field. Both 'no' voters wanted proof that it wasn't a production company credit. Well, my proof is my experience with studio credits. For the record:
"Universal Pictures presents A Neal H. Moritz Production" is a vanity producer credit. Even if that producer owns a production company, he does not get entered in the studio field.
"Walt Disney Pictures Presents in association with Jerry Bruckheimer Films" is a production company credit.
The key difference between the two is the wording. 'Films' indicates a company, as would 'Productions'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
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- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | I do not think that your experience is correct here. IMO your vanity credits are studio credits anyway. So please give us more documentation on your experience.
BTW I do not own "the fast and the furious" and did not vote. And I do not argue about this specific credit. But I do not agree on your generalisation that the form of credit says anything about real or "vanity" credits. |
| | Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've not seen the film but I would be inclined to agree that it isn't a Production Company. To me all that says is that he's the Producer of the film, nothing more, nothing less. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,196 |
| | Posted: | | | | If he's already credited as a producer, I would leave him out of the studio field. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with you 100% Unicus and i'll take your expertise in Studios over anyone else any day of the week.
Now in point of fact, unles they usd a different set of credits for the Blu_ray, the Actual film credits are different on the DVD, it looks to me like someone was using logos, instead of credits, maybe. Going to check that.
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: April 7, 2007 | | Posts: 357 |
| | Posted: | | | | I was a no voter I just wanted a source for the change (None was given in the notes) as quick google indicates there is a company called Neal H. Moritz Productions. In this case there are references to this company releasing early posters for the film. | | | | Last edited: by Graveworm |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | As noted Grave, the big issue the teminology used in the vanity credit, there is a Difference between an XXXX Production and XXXXX Productions, they ddid not use the Productions credit instead they choice a straight up vanity credit. Another possible scenario, would be that Moritz' Production Company may not have been involved, he may have fronted Production money himself. Now if my memory serves me properly, this movie came out about the same time Moritz was moving to Original Films and that could have been a factor as well.
It all in the wording. WE may not know precisely the whys and the wherefores, but the wording itself says a lot.
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| | Registered: April 7, 2007 | | Posts: 357 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am not sure. There are lots of examples of companies where it was not followed by Productions or Pictures. Walt Disney is a good example. Walt Disney is not, as far as I can tell the name of a company but many times you see a Walt Disney Picture in a credit. I don't think that is a Director or Producer credit for the guy in your avatar Skip  Also in this case "presents" is in lowercase and "Production" is in uppercase which might indicate the latter is a name as well as a description of the role played. | | | | Last edited: by Graveworm |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | And Uncle Walt does not get any kind of credit. Now Grave FYI, the specific Studio credit is an indicator of the company's History. I am testing my memory here so be kind,  early in Walts' career when RKO was the Distributor A Walt Disney Film was a common credit, later when Walt established Buena Vista to Distribute his films, he initially used Walt Disney PRESENTS and then they became a Walt Disney Production. Late in his life and carrying over through his son-in-law inheriting the mantle they became Walt Disney Productions, when Michael Eisner took the helm they became Walt Disney Pictures which continues to today. I think I got that all in order. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: April 7, 2007 | | Posts: 357 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree but Walt Disney has never been a production or distribution company it's just one of the co-founders. So by the logic being applied in this thread A Walt Disney Film or a Walt Disney Picture would not be a company credit. That could lead to few changes to the database. ...... Graveworm sneaks off to lock his Disney titles. | | | | Last edited: by Graveworm |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | It all depends on the title and this i can't explain, Grave For some strange reason,, for example, 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, which is Walt Disney Presents, has had Walt Disney Pictures inserted up front. Personally, this has happened to a lot of his films of that era, I think I probably need to pay closer attention to the copyright billing to seeif that helps sort that out, it may, it may not. If somebody has access to something from that period have a look, please, Like to know what the Copyright Credit says. I think some of them might say Walt disney Enterprises but not certain.
But back to the topic at hand, in this case Moritz vanity credit is not a profiler credit.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Graveworm: Quote:
I was a no voter I just wanted a source for the change (None was given in the notes) as quick google indicates there is a company called Neal H. Moritz Productions. In this case there are references to this company releasing early posters for the film. As I said, even if he has a company that uses his name, it was not credited here. The credit reads, "A Neal H. Moritz Production," not "Neal H. Moritz Productions." Without the 's', the credit refers to the producer, not his company. It is no different than a credit of "A Michael Bay Film" or, the credit that follows in F&F, "A Rob Cohen Film"...unless we are going to start entering directors in the studio field. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
I do not think that your experience is correct here. IMO your vanity credits are studio credits anyway. So please give us more documentation on your experience.
BTW I do not own "the fast and the furious" and did not vote. And I do not argue about this specific credit. But I do not agree on your generalisation that the form of credit says anything about real or "vanity" credits. I am a studio buff. All I can tell you is what I know, based on my experience with studios and how they are credited. This experience spans some 30 years and there is no way I can provide you any documentation to back it up. Believe me, I wish I could. I do find it funny that you asked for documentation but did not provide any, to back up your statement that my experience is incorrect, other than "IMO".  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,722 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
The credit reads, "A Neal H. Moritz Production," not "Neal H. Moritz Productions." Without the 's', the credit refers to the producer, not his company. I really wouldn't make such blanket statements. I literally encounter "A XXX Production" credits that definitely do refer to actual production companies every single day. You really just can't decide it on the format. "A Neal H. Moritz Production" could very well be a totally legitimate credit for a company named "Neal H. Moritz Productions", then again, it might not. Does such a company exist, and was it involved with the production of this film? I wouldn't know in this particular case - don't own 'The Fast and the Furious' - but I certainly couldn't rule it out based just on the format of the credit. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'll take Unicus over you any day of the week, Tim. I am sorry. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: April 7, 2007 | | Posts: 357 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting Graveworm:
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I was a no voter I just wanted a source for the change (None was given in the notes) as quick google indicates there is a company called Neal H. Moritz Productions. In this case there are references to this company releasing early posters for the film.
As I said, even if he has a company that uses his name, it was not credited here. The credit reads, "A Neal H. Moritz Production," not "Neal H. Moritz Productions." Without the 's', the credit refers to the producer, not his company.
It is no different than a credit of "A Michael Bay Film" or, the credit that follows in F&F, "A Rob Cohen Film"...unless we are going to start entering directors in the studio field. So how does this differ from my Walt Disney example? |
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