In general, Ace, the answer is already in the Rules, essentially as we are instructed to use the longest version and the Boxsets are designed to deal with multiple titles, not the SAME one. However, at the same time, some of the releases you mentioned, most specifically Blade Runner were NOT anticipated when the Rules were developed and to this day I am not sure, myself how we should deal with those oddballs. A case can be made for the Boxset usage because there are sometimes differences in both Cast and Crew data lists, but are the differences substantial enough to warrant it.<shrugs> All that said, I think I'll sit back and watch and see if somebody presents something that makes sense.

Skip

Ok then Ace, if you don't see Blade Runner as any different from T2: UE, then follow the Rules. Problem solved. I don't see them the same way as I see a T2 or any of the ones that went before these two new "styles", particularly Blade Runner. But if you view them in the same light, then Rules apply as they were developed with multiple versions of the same title within one release.

T2 and MANY other such titles WERE released pre-Rules, so we did have some idea obviously. But particularly as represented by Blade Runner were not around and were not anticipated.

In which case I have to ask...why the poll, since the Rules deal with it. I supply you with the best answer I can see and explain it and then you come back and say there isn't a problem. It's simply a muti-version, single release title, do what the rules say.

Skip

OK, Unicus, let me ask you this. The purpose of the Bonus Feature Film, is to deal with films which may be the SAME title but NOT the same film. Such as Ben-Hur and Ben-Hur (1925). These fall outside of that parameter, so....give me an argument.

Skip

Ace, I don't agree with your premise. The DVD/BD issue you attempt to raise is TWO different formats  of the same film. The Rules do deal with multiple versions, evidently based on your poll not in the way you might like. So, instead of presenting arguments that aren't valid, like your DVD/BD argument, and given what I have explained about the Ben-Hur style of Profile. The only diffreence between blade Runner, T2 and most iother such releases is that with bklade Runner you have multiple cuts on DIFFERENT discs. Now this HAS been discussed before, BTW, why should we create  abunch of different Profiles for what amounts to the SAME movie. They are not different formats, they are not different movies with tjhe same title. As I see it Ace, you have only one possible argument, given the Rules, do the different cuts contain different Cast and Crew data, IF they do, then you may have an argument if they don't I can't imagine why we need 4 or 5 Profiles for the SAME data...to what end, just to separate the discs, you can do that locally if you want. But based on what you have said so far, Ace, I don't see your argument.

I am trying to see your logic, Ace, but so far, I don't.

Skip

Don't read to much into this. My instinct was they shoudln't be boxsets, but several, like Brazil and Blade Runner were already accepted as such. Lots of people fired back when I complained about Blade Runner. I personally think this, or some other way of tracking multiple cuts, would be preferable to what we are doing now. I'm not arguing that's what the rules says and I haven't voted in the poll. I put this out there to let people weigh in.

Quoting cvermeylen:

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Personally, I like the idea of having them as a boxset. As you said, Skip, there might be a difference in cast or crew. We're not allowed to enter actors from deleted scenes, but a deleted scene may be included in an alternate cut. I also like to have the info of the different runtimes of each cut. That is also something we lose by not having child profiles for all the cuts.

I know of at least one release that has been profiled and accepted as a boxset, "Close Encounters of the Third Kind: 30th Anniversary Ultimate Edition", UPC: 8712609600384. And before you AIM, SHOOT & KILL  , it's not one of my contributions 

But I am in favor of a rule change on these kind of releases.

Chris:

Now for my next question. Are there differences in Cast and Crew? That's one thing. If not what is to be gained by having how ever many separate Profiles there are. I am waiting for Unicus, to give me an argument on his comment, maybe he has something that hasn't already been thought of. But at the moment, Chris, unless there IS a difference in Cast and Crew, I just don't see it. It doesn't fall within the parameters of the Boxset definition, nor does it fall within the parameters of the Ben-Hur issue. To setup- however many Profiles just because isn't enough of a rationale, I don't see anything to be gained by having 3, four or five Profiles of nearly identical data.

In fact, if I recall the last discussion on this correctly, my comment vis a vis how many duplicate profiles do we need, was brought up by another user and supported at the time. This strikes me at the moment of another whim of the week question. I really am, personally neutral on this, but just because simply isn't a solid rationale.

The Day the Earth Stood Still that Taro mentioned was a Ben-Hur type of issue, TWO DIFFERENT films the same name. The Rules don't provide for Different cuts of the same film as a Boxset. As of right now, the Blu-Ray Blade Runner he mentions is a violation of the Rules.

It's been awhile, Chris, Taro or whoever, since I looked but I believe that the Cast and Crew data for all cuts are identical.

Skip

Cass:

That isn't what the Rules say. For brazil, they say to use the longest cut, they don't allow for user-interpretation of 48 extra minutes makes it a totally different film.

Skip

Quoting Danae Cassandra:

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SIf the two cuts (presented on two different discs, or on a flipper) are radically different, to the point where they can be seen as different films (Brazil) then include the child profile.  If they're not, then don't.

That's what the rules say too.
Quoting contribution rules:

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For branching titles, or those with multiple versions (e.g. Theatrical and Director's Cut) on the same disc, use the longest running time.

and regarding bonus films on multiple discs:

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Some examples of Bonus Feature Films are:

Previous movie versions, example "Ben-Hur: Four-Disc Collector's Edition" which includes the 1925 version.

Companion movie bonuses, example "Season of the Witch" which includes "There's Always Vanilla" from the same director.

Create the profile for the main feature in line with the standard Contribution Rules with the title of the Bonus Feature Film added to the Other Features field. Create a child profile for the "Bonus Feature Film" using the individual UPC if available or use Disc ID (read on a DVD-ROM) if not available.

EDIT: The rules really don't leave much room for interpretation here.