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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorOrici
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I was wondering about something today. When the rules state "A simple list of Episodes may also be added to the standard overview." should this include the numbers already used in the cast & crew dividers or just list the episode titles in order without them?
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I believe the standard has been to have them match the dividers.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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IF you are providing a list from a source such as list from the back cover, if they are numbered...YES. If not...NO, copy the Overview EXACTLY from the back cover, that is what the Rules say. In the case you are referring t, Robert, the Press release had no numbers with the Episodic data, so to include numbers from the source (Distributor) is o create a fiction. This is a personal choice, which numbering system would you use tyhe numbers from the beginning of the show OR the numbers from the beginning of the SEASON. Now when the title is released, if there is a numbering system, fine, if not then we don't invent, that is for each user to chose on his own...else we have the potential for ping-pong wars as we watch users battle over the numbering system that THEY want to use.

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IF you are providing a list from a source such as list from the back cover, if they are numbered...YES. If not...NO, copy the Overview EXACTLY from the back cover, that is what the Rules say. In the case you are referring t, Robert, the Press release had no numbers with the Episodic data, so to include numbers from the source (Distributor) is o create a fiction. This is a personal choice, which numbering system would you use tyhe numbers from the beginning of the show OR the numbers from the beginning of the SEASON. Now when the title is released, if there is a numbering system, fine, if not then we don't invent, that is for each user to chose on his own...else we have the potential for ping-pong wars as we watch users battle over the numbering system that THEY want to use.

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Very often, the episode list is not included on the back cover, so it is impossible to copy. Still we are allowed to add the episode list. Matching them to the dividers in this case seems the logical thing to do.
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NOTE. I SAID if the back cover (the source)  has an Episode list. contains numbers then YES, IF not then NO to numbers based on the Rules. I am jno arguing your point at all, you missed mine completely. The refernce that was being referred to was pre-release from the DISTRIBUTOR's press release (the SOURCE) contained an Episode list with NO numbering, therefore the answer is NO  numbers, if when released their is a numbered Episode ofr NO Episode list THEN we can include numbers.

We don't create FICTION, for the reasons I explained. Now once the title is released then things may be different, for NOW the numbering based on the Source is a fiction. If we are going to create a fiction, then we have to establish a STANDARD so that users won't start arguing ove how to number as I explained.

When the title becomes available it trumps the press release but right now all we have the data from the press release and includes NO NUMBERING. If the Press Release had not included any kind of Episode listing then I would not have an issue with Robert numbering the episodes, it is ALWAYS about the data, not a fiction. If we want to write fiction I can hook you up with a publisher.

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Here are some other interestin arguments re: numbering, this assumes that there is no episode list and we must create one. Numbering is allowed then. So do we number relative to the Season or the Series (US definition) Secondly, there are some Series that have had multiple releases, or one anyway, and it presents an interesting challenge of its very own. Some releases have been in Airdate Order, and others have been done in Production Order...now what do we use for numbering. Does each set of releases stand on its own merits OR do we do something else. Numbering becomes a very interesting conundrum in any event, but we should never be adding fictional data which does not match Source data.

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Well... I can tell you the way I always done it anyway. I always numbered per the season just counting the episodes in the set... in the order they are in the set. I think that is the simplest way to do it anyway.
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Well... I can tell you the way I always done it anyway. I always numbered per the season just counting the episodes in the set... in the order they are in the set. I think that is the simplest way to do it anyway.


That's what I've been doing also.
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Convention is to number by season.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Where is that convention defined, Ace. I have never seen it. In point of fact, I can point you at Online profiles which are numbered per Series not Season. While I personally agree wit6h you, I don't know of any Convention that states this. And since the Rules do say to copy the Overview exactly, IF said Overview on back cover does use numbering then we do so, if not then we don't. Convention would only apply when we would be dealing with user-created Episode lists, granted this probably most of the time.

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I believe the standard has been to have them match the dividers.


Yup, this is what I do as well.
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That's fine Hal and Unicus, but the rules don't support it, unless there is NO episode list on the back. Show me where that is established. Assuming an episode list as part of the ACTUAL Ovieview, we copy it exactly, if there are numbers fine if there are not don't add them. The Actual Epsiode title may from time even be a little different to that which may be listed in the Overview, thus the Cast and crew Title may also be slightly different. There is no connection between the cast and Crew data and the Overview data.

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Quoting the Rules"
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Complete Series/Season & Anthologies of Episodes - A simple list of Episodes may also be added to the standard overview. Do not add episode synopses to the overview field, but these can be added to the local non-contributed “Notes” field.


There is NO direction given in the Rules as to the format of the "simple episode list".  The rules may not support it explicitly, but they also don't prohibit it explicitly either.
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No Hal, the rules don't say anything at all, nah.

"Copy the overview from the back of the DVD case exactly as written, including capitalization of words exactly as shown on the back of the case. Separate all paragraphs with a blank line."

That means Hal, that if there is an UNNUMBERED Episode list on the back cover, you copy it EXACTLY AS WRITTEN, Huh, you don't invent data that is not there. This is not hard to comprehend.

If there is an a numbered episode list you likewise ciopy it EXACTLY AS IT IS WRITTEN. You do understand this simple concept..yes?

So the issue ONLY involves those titles for which an Episode list must be assembled, if possible, in other words there is NO EPISODE list that is part of the Overview.

In the case of the moment, that was being addressed the SOURCE for the Episode data was the Press Release from the Duistributor, which included an Episode list WITHOUT numbers, but he wanted to insert numbers, in other words he wanted to create FICTIONAL data. Is this too difficult?

Unbelievable.

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Given that we profile DVD's (or HD DVD's or Blu-rays) here, I think it's quite simple:

- if there is an episode overview on the back cover: copy-paste that overview

- if not, you are free to add one yourself. Rules don't stipulate how they should be formated in that case, so users are free to decide for themselves, provided it's a "simple list of Episodes". I tend to number them because it's easier then to quickly find an episode in a set.

Going purely by the rules as they are now, that's all there's to it really: copy what's there and if it's not there, you're free to add a simple listing yourself, provided it matches what's on the disc. All the rest is just pure personal preference by submitters & voters.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAce_of_Sevens
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The rulkes do say we can add an episode list even if it isn't on the package. They do not specify any particular way to format it. I have over 1600 disc with the TV genre and I just looked through them. Almost all have numbered episode lists.
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