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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Good day, Sirs,
I am working on a profile, in which the end credits prepend a "Special Effects Chief" to a grouped crew role "Special Effects Team" with three members.
Does it go too far to argue that the Chief for sure supervised the Team, and contribute all four as Visual Effects?
The movie is 28 years old, and from Down Under.
Love, bbbbb | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 820 |
| | Posted: | | | | Chief = Supervisor in my view.
Special Effects = Visual Effects in film unless it is a sound effect. After all, it is a visual medium.
As to whether or not it is contributable, check the table in the rules. In my view the table approach is unnecessarily restrictive.
PS. Is the film The Road Warrior or Mad Max 2 as it is known here? | | | | Last edited: by Telecine |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | He may have supervised the team, then again, he may not have. If the role does not match the credit chart, leave him out. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
He may have supervised the team, then again, he may not have. If the role does not match the credit chart, leave him out. What little I have started to mess with crew credits... this is what I been doing... If it is not listed as acceptable in the chart then I do not add them... no matter if I believe they do the same thing or not. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Telecine: Quote:
In my view the table approach is unnecessarily restrictive. Don't you forget the additional, unwritten spirit of the law. Quote:
Is the film The Road Warrior or Mad Max 2 as it is known here? Yes. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
He may have supervised the team, then again, he may not have. The same applies to the Supervisor - we do not know what he actually did. Only the credit he got. Quote:
If the role does not match the credit chart, leave him out. But there already exist accepted name variants between English, English, English and English (US, UK, AUS, Archaic). For a long time the question is not anymore if but when and how to bend the rules. Quite recently a user argued that "Sound Recordist" wouldn't be "Sound" (like in the US-English credit chart), but "Production Sound Mixer" in Australia (and England). Do you think he is right? What about the grouped "Special Effects Team" with three crew members: according or against the Rules? If according: include them but of all people leave out their Chief? If against: we admittedly search for "Special Effects", but leave out "Special Effects" chief and team? | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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He may have supervised the team, then again, he may not have.
The same applies to the Supervisor - we do not know what he actually did. Only the credit he got. That is all the rules care about...how he is credited. Quote:
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If the role does not match the credit chart, leave him out.
But there already exist accepted name variants between English, English, English and English (US, UK, AUS, Archaic). Are you saying that 'Chief' is a direct translation of 'supervisor' in Australian English? If yes, then please provide proof. Quote:
For a long time the question is not anymore if but when and how to bend the rules. That may be your question, but it is not my question. I do my best to follow the rules, not bend them. Quote:
Quite recently a user argued that "Sound Recordist" wouldn't be "Sound" (like in the US-English credit chart), but "Production Sound Mixer" in Australia (and England). Do you think he is right? I don't live in either Australia or England, so I don't know whether or not he is right. What I do know, is that I would enter it as 'Sound' because that is what the crew chart tells me to do. Quote:
What about the grouped "Special Effects Team" with three crew members: according or against the Rules?
If according: include them but of all people leave out their Chief? I would leave them out as the credit is ambiguous and doesn't match the chart. Quote:
If against: we admittedly search for "Special Effects", but leave out "Special Effects" chief and team? Unfortunately, that is how the rules are written. If/when Ken changes the crew chart so that it is less restrictive, then these can be entered. Until then, they have to be left out. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: June 5, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 93 |
| | Posted: | | | | This really boils down to the reading of the "Credited As" hints for the Visual Effects credit, which says Quote:
Individual Credits:
Visual/Digital/Special/Special Visual Effects, including Designer, Supervisor, and Director Now, I've always taken that to mean that the credits should be limited to "Designer, Supervisor, and Director", and therefore not include just a plain "Visual Effects" credit (unless an old film, where there was just one credit for the whole film .. I know, not an exact method ..). This reading has always pulled up a whole host of Visual Effects credits in modern films. If I were to include everyone with a Visual Effects credit, it would be rediculous  If you include credits for anyone with "Visual Effects" as a credit, such as Quote:
Visual Effects by Fred Bloggs then a "Visual Effects Chief" should be credited as well. Same as "Senior Visual Effects", or similar. Quote:
Visual Effects Supervisor - Fred Bloggs I
Visual Effects Chief - Fred Bloggs II
Senior Visual Effects - Fred Bloggs III
Visual Effects - Fred Bloggs IV
Visual Effects - Fred Bloggs V
Not giving "Fred Bloggs II" & "Fred Bloggs III" a credit when "Fred Bloggs IV" & "Fred Bloggs V" get a credit each is crazy: they only got the extra title for being good at their jobs  Following my reading of the "Credited As" column, then they would not be credited, because (as Unicus said) they may or may not have "supervised" so can't be taken to be a "supervisor" equivalent. That is one of the "Credited As" entries I would like to see clarified. It's either Quote:
Individual Credits:
Visual/Digital/Special/Special Visual Effects, including (but not limited to) Designer, Supervisor, and Director or Quote:
Individual Credits:
Visual/Digital/Special/Special Visual Effects, limited to Designer, Supervisor, or Director | | | | You can download higher resolution versions of any of my cover scans from here |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | The way the chart is set up, the credit has to match what is there. For this particular section, the credit must be one of the following...or a direct translation:
Visual Effects
Visual Effects Designer
Visual Effects Supervisor
Visual Effects Director
Digital Effects
Digital Effects Designer
Digital Effects Supervisor
Digital Effects Director
Special Effects
Special Effects Designer
Special Effects Supervisor
Special Effects Director
Special Visual Effects Designer
Special Visual Effects Supervisor
Special Visual Effects Director
That's it. No other credit. It may not make sense...and to be clear, I don't like it...but that is the way the crew rules are written. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: June 5, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 93 |
| | Posted: | | | | Don't forget Special Effects DesignerSpecial Effects SupervisorSpecial Effects DirectorSpecial Visual EffectsSpecial Visual Effects DesignerSpecial Visual Effects SupervisorSpecial Visual Effects DirectorYeah, I don't like that either  | | | | You can download higher resolution versions of any of my cover scans from here |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Don't get me started.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,878 |
| | Posted: | | | | And speaking of the various Visual Effects credits, should we enter Supervisor/Director/Designer when they are listed under the effects production company's set of credits?
I.E.:
SPECIAL EFFECTS COMPANY A
Visual Effects Director = Blah Bladiddy Blah
SPECIAL EFFECTS COMPANY B
Visual Effects Director = Yaddi Yaddah
etc.
Or just list these roles if they are listed with the 'main' section of credits? | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
-- Thorin Oakenshield |
| | Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Danae Cassandra: Quote:
And speaking of the various Visual Effects credits, should we enter Supervisor/Director/Designer when they are listed under the effects production company's set of credits?
I.E.:
SPECIAL EFFECTS COMPANY A
Visual Effects Director = Blah Bladiddy Blah
SPECIAL EFFECTS COMPANY B
Visual Effects Director = Yaddi Yaddah
etc.
Or just list these roles if they are listed with the 'main' section of credits? Some do, some don't. Initially i did but now, if there are primary ('main' section) Effects credits i stop with those. Just like if i find a primary Costume Designer credit i stop there and don't add all the other credits whose titles are allowed. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,722 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote:
if there are primary ('main' section) Effects credits i stop with those. Just like if i find a primary Costume Designer credit i stop there and don't add all the other credits whose titles are allowed.  Can we please get something like this into the rules? Please? |
| | Registered: April 17, 2007 |  Posts: 771 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting tweeter:
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if there are primary ('main' section) Effects credits i stop with those. Just like if i find a primary Costume Designer credit i stop there and don't add all the other credits whose titles are allowed.
Can we please get something like this into the rules? Please? Yes Pleasee!!! | | |  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting tweeter:
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if there are primary ('main' section) Effects credits i stop with those. Just like if i find a primary Costume Designer credit i stop there and don't add all the other credits whose titles are allowed.
Can we please get something like this into the rules? Please? I would prefer that we didn't as there are people who like this information...Pantheon comes to mind. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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