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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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I noticed some interesting Yes votes to a Contribution for Satr Wars: Trilogy. the Rukles for Boxsets state:

"Do not include any Disc IDs on the main profile - these are listed on each of the individual profiles."

This is exactly what the contributor is trying to do, the Profile as it sits right now, which includes properly the Boxset data for the Child Profiles, should have no individual Disc ID in the Parent Profile.

Thank you for your time. Class dismissed.

Oh what the heck, i am in a good mood. "You come here with skulls full of mush, and if you survive, you leave thinking like a Profiler." Figure that one out.

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can we go out and play now..??
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Quoting Jubal:
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"You come here with skulls full of mush, and if you survive, you leave thinking like a Profiler." Figure that one out.

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Why would we be on a Paper Chase? Isn't chasing DVDs enough?
If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Mr...Hart.

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Billy Video
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Maybe it's time to form into study groups.
We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own.
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OK  time for some schoolin' I've come to the Teacher because I don't want to get beat up after school by the bigger kids..   
Today's topic I want to introduce into the Contributors page is the word SDH. I can't find anything about it in the rules but for most of us who don't know what SDH is.. (This is Wiki's defination: SDH)
"SDH" is an American term the DVD industry introduced. It is an acronym for "Subtitles for the deaf and hard-of-hearing", and refers to regular subtitles in the original language where important non-dialog audio has been added, as well as speaker identification, useful when the viewer cannot otherwise visually tell who is saying what.

The only significant difference for the user between "SDH" subtitles and "closed captions" is their appearance: SDH subtitles usually are displayed with the same proportional font used for the translation subtitles on the DVD; however, closed captions are displayed as white text on a black band, which blocks a large portion of the view. Closed captioning is falling out of favor as many users have no difficulty reading SDH subtitles, which are text with contrast outline. In addition, DVD subtitles can specify many colors, on the same character: primary, outline, shadow, and background. This allows subtitlers to display subtitles on a usually translucent band for easier reading, however, this is rare, since most subtitles use an outline and shadow instead, in order to block a smaller portion of the picture. Closed captions may still supersede DVD subtitles, since many SDH subtitles present all of the text centered, while closed captions usually specify position on the screen: centered, left align, right align, top, etc. This is very helpful for speaker identification and overlapping conversation. Some SDH subtitles do have positioning, but it is not as common. ' unquote .


So  I have a total of 15 ( so far ) ( HD) titles that not only have two or three or even four subtitles, and there is no CC on the box  but there is the term SDH  English only ..
I was going to add this feature into the feature box that is empty, with the words:
SDH English only ..

Can this be done without me staying after school and writing on the blackboard , 500 times ,
I will obey the Rules ( or rukles as you say)., I will obey the rules .....
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Terry
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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There are significant differences between CC and SDH. BTW, FYI SDH did not exist in 2005 when the Rules were drafted, I beliveve it started appearing later that year, if memory serves. But back to the diffrences, SDH is a menu choice and is treated for our purposes now as a Subtitle, ACTUAL CC requires, dating back to the original a separate decoder box, or today circuitry built-in to the TV or the deck or perhaps even software to read the CC coding. But CC is not a menu option of the disc itself like SDH, it is an option external of the Disc in some form.

Now should we have an option for SDH to be listed, I would say yes...but that is a separate discussion. TODAY, it is a English Language Subtitles, I personally would not complain if someone used Other Features to further clarify English SDH usage, but I don't think I would do that, I haven't to date.

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My fifteen are in place ..
In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.

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The numerous times I've seen SDH on a title, I've only treated them as an ordinary subtitle track & so far I've not seen anyone add them as a special feature so would think that the general opinion is to not add them there. If I saw one, I think that I would probably vote "Neutral".
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Quoting Forget_the_Rest:
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The numerous times I've seen SDH on a title, I've only treated them as an ordinary subtitle track & so far I've not seen anyone add them as a special feature so would think that the general opinion is to not add them there. If I saw one, I think that I would probably vote "Neutral".

I would probably do that as well, Forget. Like i said, I haven't used other features for SDH since they were introduced, I think for now using the English subs adds enough clarity, until Ken adds an SDH tick box. I have not seen it, is there any other SDH out there besides English.

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Billy Video
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I'd like to hear from our hearing impaired people as well,. I'm sure ( as I am) would welcome the feature to locate these  titles a little bit quicker than reading the backs of all the scanned jackets ..
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Terry
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMithi
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Quoting widescreenforever:
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The only significant difference for the user between "SDH" subtitles and "closed captions" is their appearance:

Nope, the real significance is: "SDH" is about the content of the subtitle, whereas "CC" is about the technical realisation of it.

cya, Mithi
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I have not seen it, is there any other SDH out there besides English.


I've just had a look at some of my non-English titles & yes they do appear in other languages, at the very least in German.

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I'd like to hear from our hearing impaired people as well,. I'm sure ( as I am) would welcome the feature to locate these  titles a little bit quicker than reading the backs of all the scanned jackets ..


I'll say that having average hearing, I hadn't thought of it from the perspective of someone who can't hear so well. With that in mind it should be made more obvious. I do think that having them in the subtitles section would make more sense but as with audio descriptive, I think there should be an overhaul to allow the language to be stated against it.
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I do think that having them in the subtitles section would make more sense but as with audio descriptive, I think there should be an overhaul to allow the language to be stated against it.

I see there are numerous requests in the features forum.., so will leave that as it is..,
When is the next update coming as SDH and Dolby Digital Plus options are two big ones I have brought to the fore front this week ., as well as many other features you have all brought to Ken's Attention.

You know this whole Blue Ray thing might just take off.  , ... I was in my local DVD emporium yesterday and not only was I stunned by the sheer magnitude of titles on the market, I see the price has dropped in half (or more)  for certain titles. and these  titles of Blu Ray are front and center of the store , where last Christmas these titles had a little shelf in the back of the store .. , 
yes it is time for Version 4. 0  ...   
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@ Skip:
Yes, SDH appears in other languages than English as well. Recently I saw a disc with Italian SDH.

@ Terry:
Your hearing-impaired argument is a strong one (isn't that the target group of SDH in the first place?), and warrants a call for attention on the Invelos side (could help sales among hearing-impaired people...). To really make it work, it should be possible to filter on SDH.

We've drifted rather a long way from the original topic (which I found rather shocking), but oh well...
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So  I have a total of 15 ( so far ) ( HD) titles that not only have two or three or even four subtitles, and there is no CC on the box  but there is the term SDH  English only ..
I was going to add this feature into the feature box that is empty, with the words:
SDH English only ..

If we already have English subtitles selected I don't see the point adding this information to Other Features.  I've voted accordingly and i guess we'll see how it turns out.
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