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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,029 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sometimes little things drive me crazy. I just spend almost two hours (that's another movie I didn't watch) researching GUI terminology, because my own stance on this is at odds with the usage of these terms in some major products. Of course, I didn't find a conclusive answer, so I just thought to share the fun. My own answer is (spoiler): Spoiler: (Select to view)Left and right pane, because you move the split bar on the horizontal axis. If you choose the other option, feel free to add an explanation. | | | | Matthias |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | In my opinion just the opposite. The direction you can move the split afterwords has nothing to do with it. If you split an orange with a knive horizontally, you'll get top and bottom parts. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with Kulju. If I draw a horizontal line, splitting a window horizonally, I end up with a top and a bottom. The fact that I can move that line vertically (up and down), to change the size of the windows, does not make it a vertical split. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with both Kulju & Unicus. If you split something horizontally you go along the X axis leaving you with one piece on top of the other. |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | Horizontal cuts always result in a top and bottom. Vertical cuts always result in a left and right. |
| | Registered: February 10, 2008 | | Posts: 244 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
Horizontal cuts always result in a top and bottom. Vertical cuts always result in a left and right. Couldn't have said it better  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 681 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote:
In my opinion just the opposite. The direction you can move the split afterwords has nothing to do with it. If you split an orange with a knive horizontally, you'll get top and bottom parts. I also agree with Kulju, but only after that orange example  I have noticed that whenever I split windows horizontally in e.g. Excel, I always end up having the windows exactly the way I didn't want them to be split, and have to re-select "vertically". I have a lousy memory, and when selecting the splitting option, I always tend to think the way Goodguy thinks - that horizontal splitting must mean splitting the window to a horizontal sequence of splitted windows. Hopefully this orange example stays in my noggin until I next time I have to use it... | | | Mika
I hate people who love me, and they hate me. (Bender Bending Rodriguez) | | | | Last edited: by Draxen |
| | Registered: May 9, 2007 |  Posts: 1,536 |
| | Posted: | | | | One is looking at the process, the other is looking at the results. Could be a cultural thing. | | | | Hans |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,029 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Draxen: Quote:
I also agree with Kulju, but only after that orange example Yes, that was a good example. Finally, that odd choice makes a little sense to me. It is consistent with the terminology used by Windows, at least when communicating with the end user. On the programmer's side the terminology is mixed up. Newer frameworks adopt the end user perspective, while older ones don't. Other systems, like Sun OS, use my own, more logical, approach. To explain my own reasoning: If I split a window, the important thing is not the split itself, but the resulting panes. If they are placed left to right on a horizontal axis, then this to me is a horizontal split. EDIT: I see that Staid S Barr already nailed it. | | | | Matthias | | | | Last edited: by goodguy |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting goodguy: Quote:
To explain my own reasoning:
If I split a window, the important thing is not the split itself, but the resulting panes. If they are placed left to right on a horizontal axis, then this to me is a horizontal split. I am going to need a visual representation of this explanation as I just can't wrap my brain around what you said.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Staid S Barr: Quote:
One is looking at the process, the other is looking at the results. Could be a cultural thing. For me, the process and the results are the same. If I have a window on top and another on the bottom, they were split horizontally. If I have a window on the left and another on the right, they were split vertically. Further explanation is needed for me to understand where you are coming from. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting Staid S Barr:
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One is looking at the process, the other is looking at the results. Could be a cultural thing.
For me, the process and the results are the same. If I have a window on top and another on the bottom, they were split horizontally. If I have a window on the left and another on the right, they were split vertically. Further explanation is needed for me to understand where you are coming from. I think it's because if two windows are side by side they're in a horizontal line, likewise if one is on top of the other then they're in a vertical line. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,029 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Further explanation is needed for me to understand where you are coming from. Does "split happens along the horizontal axis" versus "split occurs on the horizontal axis" help? | | | | Matthias |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 681 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting Staid S Barr:
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One is looking at the process, the other is looking at the results. Could be a cultural thing.
For me, the process and the results are the same. If I have a window on top and another on the bottom, they were split horizontally. If I have a window on the left and another on the right, they were split vertically. Further explanation is needed for me to understand where you are coming from. As Matthias said, you can think of the splitting from the point of view of the end result. Kulju's orange example opened my eyes to the meaning of "splitting" as an operation. You slice the knife horizontally to split the windows. What I have used to think is the end result of the splitting. If you split a window along horizontal axis, so that after splitting you have two windows standing on horizontal axis instead one, that is horizontal splitting. This means vertical cutting, but the end result is horizontally arranged after the split. i guess, my (and Matthias's) reasoning makes more sense, if you replace the word "split" with word "arrange". As Staid said, you can think the "splitting" as an operation (slicing left to right) or end result (how/on what axis the split windows are arranged after the split) | | | Mika
I hate people who love me, and they hate me. (Bender Bending Rodriguez) |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,029 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting goodguy: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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Further explanation is needed for me to understand where you are coming from.
Does "split happens along the horizontal axis" versus "split occurs on the horizontal axis" help? To follow up on this: If you don't use a menu command to split a window, but the little spacer or grip on the scrollbar (assuming the program has such a feature), then, to get top and bottom parts, you have to drag the spacer on the vertical scroll bar. To get left and right parts, you have to drag the spacer on the horizontal scroll bar (I hope we agree that the vertical scrollbar is the one at the right side, while the horizontal scrollbar is the one at the bottom). | | | | Matthias | | | | Last edited: by goodguy |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | I follow. If you graph out the vertical cut on chart with an X and Y axis, the vertical cut would slide along the X axis of the screen. |
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