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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am auditing the Blu-ray, Box Set, version of X2 and came across this credit. Since the uniforms are costumes, and the crew chart has a 'Costumes by' credit, I was going to include it. But, before I did, I decided to ask for opinions.
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| Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | Is there any other Costumes credit?
If there's a Cosutme Designer in the open or end credits I would think that overrides this by how the rules are worded, or by how I recall them. Although in this case, the uniforms are probably the most important costumes in the film and should get credit.
Good qusestion, looking forward to see how it plays out. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
I am auditing the Blu-ray, Box Set, version of X2 and came across this credit. Since the uniforms are costumes, and the crew chart has a 'Costumes by' credit, I was going to include it. But, before I did, I decided to ask for opinions.
Costume Designer, yes or no? Is 'X-Men Uniforms by' a direct translation of 'Costumes by'? IMO it's not, but it's rather a functional equivalent. Unfortunately the current wording of the rules do not allow those. WE need some rule change here or at least a clarification from Invelos. |
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| Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | When i updated the Crew for the individual Blu-ray releases last week i left the "X-Men Uniforms by" credit off because there was already a Costume Designer credit.
Would i vote against it? Probably not. But my preference would be not to add it when there is a specific Costume Designer credit listed. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote:
my preference would be not to add it when there is a specific Costume Designer credit listed. Mine too. |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | No. There is not "Uniforms by" in the crew roles list of the rules. | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ironhead Studio » ABOUT US: Quote:
Jose’s reputation for subtlety and a classic aesthetic have continued to put him in demand in more recent years, and can be most readily seen in characters such as the Silver Surfer and “Hellboy’s” Abe Sapien as well as the designs and construction of the specialty costumes for “X-Men United” and ‘Fantastic Four.” The latter providing him with his first official credit as costume designer. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 940 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would include it. | | | | Kevin |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Daddy DVD: Quote:
Quoting Ironhead Studio » ABOUT US:
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Jose’s reputation for subtlety and a classic aesthetic have continued to put him in demand in more recent years, and can be most readily seen in characters such as the Silver Surfer and “Hellboy’s” Abe Sapien as well as the designs and construction of the specialty costumes for “X-Men United” and ‘Fantastic Four.” The latter providing him with his first official credit as costume designer. Meaning, IMHO, that the latter will result in his first official credit as costume designer in DVD Profiler as well. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,245 |
| | Posted: | | | | Personally I would include it.
Let's say that in Superman: The Movie that someone got credited with "Superman's Uniform designed by".
But also in the opening credits there is a Costume Designer credit too.
Would we really want to not include someone who designed such an important aspect of the film just because the poor wording of the rules excludes it according to some?
Isn't the X-Men Uniforms an important aspect to the film? |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,741 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CubbyUps: Quote:
Isn't the X-Men Uniforms an important aspect to the film? Especially since it's not yellow spandex.  | | | Karsten
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Meaning, IMHO, that the latter will result in his first official credit as costume designer in DVD Profiler as well. Quoting Daddy DVD: Quote:
Quoting Ironhead Studio » ABOUT US:
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Jose’s reputation for subtlety and a classic aesthetic have continued to put him in demand in more recent years, and can be most readily seen in characters such as the Silver Surfer and “Hellboy’s” Abe Sapien as well as the designs and construction of the specialty costumes for “X-Men United” and ‘Fantastic Four.” The latter providing him with his first official credit as costume designer. Or you could say that because he did designed costumes for X-Men he could be entered that way. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CubbyUps: Quote:
Isn't the X-Men Uniforms an important aspect to the film? It's an aspect, yes - but there are many, many aspects we don't track in DVD Profiler. The bio Daddy DVD links to refers to it as "specialty costumes". Well, supplying a few "specialty costumes" is not the same as being the film's "costume designer" - which is why someone else is credited for that. There's a reason why the film-makers didn't award both joint "costume designer" credits. We can guess as to why they didn't do so, but we know for a fact that they didn't. This is exactly the kind of job progression you can track locally, if you really want to, but IMHO it really doesn't belong in the general starting point that is the online database. There's a costume designer credited - that's the one we're after, IMHO. Again: if the filmmaker's felt it was worth an equal "costume designer " credit, they had given it to him. But when they don't, we shouldn't either. |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Daddy DVD: Quote:
Or you could say that because he did designed costumes for X-Men he could be entered that way. But that's the same as the old "additional music by" credits debate. There too, we've always had users that felt: if he composed something, he gets a "composer" credit. But it doesn't work that way: the "composer" credit is reserved for the actual composer of the film's score, and "additional music by" can only be tracked locally. IMHO, this is the exact same thing: there is a general "costume designer" credit, and any additional/specialty/whatever stuff does not qualify for an equal credit. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | But yet users are also entering costume supervisors as designers what they aren't, so...  | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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