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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | |  This should be entered as: 1. Missy Elliott as Herself Jadakiss as Himself Sheek as Himself Shawn Desman as Himself 2. Missy Elliott as Herself Jadakiss & Sheek as Themselves Shawn Desman as Himself 3. Missy Elliott as Themselves Jadakiss & Sheek as Themselves Shawn Desman as Themselves Please Note: Jadakiss (CLT 10/25) Sheek (CLT 1/10) Jadakiss & Sheek (CLT 1/8) | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Eeek!!!!!!!!!!!!
But 2 seems the most logical choice and the closest to the ON Screen data, unless you wanted to use a divider for Themselves, which is not something I would do in this case.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well, I'd have to go with option 2. Obviously they weren't so pressed for credit space that they had to cram two names together, there must have been some purpose to it. Given that, I keep them combined in my credit entry. I certainly don't give every individual a "themselves" role. That just becomes meaningless junk to me. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | I voted for 1 as I know they are individuals, however I can see option 2 as also being acceptable.
Another option could be:
Jadakiss [Jadakiss & Sheek] as Themselves
Sheek [Jadakiss & Sheek] as Themselves
which would allow for any linking to any other appearances by either person. |
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| Registered: March 28, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,299 |
| | Posted: | | | | Considering the CLT data, I'd do option 1 in combination with "Credited As" set to "Jadakiss & Sheek" for both Jadakiss and Sheek.
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| | Posted: | | | | If this was their only credit in the database, I might be inclined to go with option #2 - especially as I don't know these people, I'd probably treat it as a stage name.
But now that we know, per the CLT results provided by the original poster, that they each have other credits in the database as well, that really has to be taken into consideration. We've got to link those credits together somehow, and so I would probably arrive at some form of option #1 as well. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hmmm, good point, Tim. But like you I don't know these individuals, nor do I know if they are individuals and not simply the name of a band, ala I know I am dating myself but...Gerry and the Pacemakers. Seals & Croft are known individuals, as are Simon & Garfunkel, etc. So I suppose for Option 1 to be truly viable, then it would be a good idea to verify that Jadakiss & Sheek are individuals, for someone that is a fan I am sure that would not present a big challenge.
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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Could Jadakiss & Sheek be considered a stage name for the group?
That is how they are presented in their music?
Opted for #2 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
I voted for 1 as I know they are individuals, however I can see option 2 as also being acceptable.
Another option could be:
Jadakiss [Jadakiss & Sheek] as Themselves
Sheek [Jadakiss & Sheek] as Themselves
which would allow for any linking to any other appearances by either person. This is how I would go, using the credited as. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
Could Jadakiss & Sheek be considered a stage name for the group?
That is how they are presented in their music?
Opted for #2 Jadakiss and Sheek are two different people. They are credited this way, I believe, because the song included in the film was by Jadakiss featuring Sheek...which is a rap way of saying the song was by Jadakiss but Sheek sang as well. This looks like the movie 'Honey', which I haven't seen in a long time and don't own, so I am going by memory. I opted for #1. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
I voted for 1 as I know they are individuals, however I can see option 2 as also being acceptable.
Another option could be:
Jadakiss [Jadakiss & Sheek] as Themselves
Sheek [Jadakiss & Sheek] as Themselves
which would allow for any linking to any other appearances by either person. Since I know they are 2 different people, I'd do a mix of this and opition 1, resulting in this: Missy Elliott as Herself Jadakiss [Jadakiss & Sheek] as Himself Sheek [Jadakiss & Sheek] as Himself Shawn Desman as Himself Then the notes for credited as would make the "himself" proper. Themself sounds wrong, and Themselves is way wrong when dealing with one person. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | 1. Is wrong because it does not match the on-screen credit. They are credited together, as a group. In order to use this method they would have to appear on separate lines.
3. Is wrong, because we regularly change plurals to singulars in group credits, e.g., "children" is changed to "child" for each individual. Missy Elliott and Shawn Desmond are individuals (not plural).
2. Accurately portrays what is displayed in the actual credits.
Would you take the credit "Penn & Teller as Themselves" and enter them as two individual credits?
I wouldn't. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
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Would you take the credit "Penn & Teller as Themselves" and enter them as two individual credits?
I wouldn't. Penn & Teller is a duo known by that name, Jadakiss & Sheek are not. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
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Would you take the credit "Penn & Teller as Themselves" and enter them as two individual credits?
I wouldn't.
Penn & Teller is a duo known by that name, Jadakiss & Sheek are not. Do we have to know what they're "known by" in order to submit the credits?  | | | ...James
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | No we don't, James. We are to enter the data exactly as we see it, which is why I went with Option 2. But i am open to other possibilities and Tim happened to bring up an interesting point. But i would still tend to go with 2.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
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Would you take the credit "Penn & Teller as Themselves" and enter them as two individual credits?
I wouldn't.
Penn & Teller is a duo known by that name, Jadakiss & Sheek are not.
Do we have to know what they're "known by" in order to submit the credits? No, and I don't believe I said we did. My point...if they were a duo or group, I would submit them as a duo or group. Since they aren't, I wouldn't. As an example, I would enter a credit of 'Aerosmith' as a single entry but I would enter a credit of 'Steven Tyler & Joe Perry' as two entries. How you do it is 100% up to you. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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